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    Re: US downs missile with new interceptor

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    We're already being invaded by Mexico and not a single president in the past 50 years has figured out how to win that war.
    I dont think the State of Mexico has sent their army across our borders....


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    Re: US downs missile with new interceptor

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    We're already being invaded by Mexico and not a single president in the past 50 years has figured out how to win that war.
    I'm not so sure we "want" to win that one. A whole lot of jobs that native-born Americans won't do won't get done, or the at least the end product gets waaay expensive.
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    Re: US downs missile with new interceptor

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    Obviously that's your opinion, not the opinion of the USA Department of Defence.

    And so ... I will take your opinion with a grain of salt, of course, if you don't mind.
    You mean the same DoD that has supported an long list of boondoggles?

    Only a fool would listen to their "expertise". You should be saving your "salt" for what the DoD says
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    Re: US downs missile with new interceptor

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    that's right! so what do you suggest?

    let Iran and NK do all the weapons research necessary... while we wait crossed arms?
    Not at all.r&d,is riddeled by corruption.that's what needs to be stopped.
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    Re: US downs missile with new interceptor

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    I think you just like reading Tom Clancy novels and then expect the world to work the same way. The whole "Nazi" thing pretty much demonstrates the simplistic nature of your views on this subject. Needing to get some better expertise in order to get ahead of the Soviets 60 years ago has no bearing on what it is like today.
    Me thinks you need to stop basing your beliefs on what you see in your FPS shooting games. Nothing you said addressed the technical problems I cited.

    Sorry, but anyone who seriously talks about panel vans being the way it is going to be done has gone beyond absurd. That is a scare tactic, not an actual threat. No, I do not think it is "super easy", but it is a hell of a lot more likely to be successful.
    Absurd? Really? Is that why the Russians built nuclear backpacks? Because it's absurd? Do you have any understanding of the technical challenges that a missile delivery system poses over simply smuggling parts in and delivering them via a truck?

    Nothing you've posted shows you have ANY understanding of the engineering and technical problems with a missile system.

    Seriously Demon, that may have been the weakest reply you've ever made here. Even Conservative can argue better than you did there.
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    Re: US downs missile with new interceptor

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
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    What you're assuming here is the problem. You're betting Iran/N.Korea won't ever launch.

    I hope you're right but considering the size of that bet I'd just as soon do a little hedging.
    Real simple. The nations in question want to live and preserve power. Using a missile ends their reign.

    No one here has EVER been able to answer my question as to when Iran (and related North Korea) has ever risked their political leadership's life and power.

    Every person I asks that question to runs away
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    Re: US downs missile with new interceptor

    I think the money for missile defense will be cut. The country is broke and many entitlements that Democrats love have yet to be funded. The only source for funding Democratic entitlements is the defense budget. It will be slashed in order to maintain the standard of living of people who rely on these entitlements.

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    Re: US downs missile with new interceptor

    If you're a state or actor out to nuke America, do you do the following:

    Spend hundreds of millions of dollars, potentially a billion building a single weapon on a single missile that has questionable reliability, questionable accuracy, is easily spotted well in advance of launch with a small yield war head that is easily tracked back to the launch location

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    Build a few large yield bombs for much cheaper that are smuggled in pieces or built within the US using locally gathered material (that US scientists themselves proved possible) afters smuggling in the fissile material and then delivering by panel van and suicide bombers for 100% reliability and accuracy?

    Anyone who argues that the expensive, easily tracked, easily destroyed, inaccurate single missile is the way to go is an idiot or is personally benefiting from the missile spending.
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    Re: US downs missile with new interceptor

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Real simple. The nations in question want to live and preserve power. Using a missile ends their reign.

    No one here has EVER been able to answer my question as to when Iran (and related North Korea) has ever risked their political leadership's life and power.

    Every person I asks that question to runs away
    I think you are engaging in the psychological phenomenon called "mirror imaging." It's a habit of Western centric people to assume that non-western people use the same though processes and hold the same values as they do.

    In the case of Iran, the theocracy is simpling following what they perceive to be the will of their god. North Korea is a rogue state that needs revenue. Weapons sales are one of the primary sources of revenue for the DPRK. They will sell their hardware to any one with cold hard cash.

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    Re: US downs missile with new interceptor

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    If you're a state or actor out to nuke America, do you do the following:

    Spend hundreds of millions of dollars, potentially a billion building a single weapon on a single missile that has questionable reliability, questionable accuracy, is easily spotted well in advance of launch with a small yield war head that is easily tracked back to the launch location

    OR

    Build a few large yield bombs for much cheaper that are smuggled in pieces or built within the US using locally gathered material (that US scientists themselves proved possible) afters smuggling in the fissile material and then delivering by panel van and suicide bombers for 100% reliability and accuracy?

    Anyone who argues that the expensive, easily tracked, easily destroyed, inaccurate single missile is the way to go is an idiot or is personally benefiting from the missile spending.
    Smugglers might be intercepted. If America doesn't have missile defenses then inaccurate ICBMs and nukes called "City Busters" can be used.

    I don't think America will really develop effective missile defenses. The money needed for that will end up going in to Obamacare and other entitlements.

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