Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

Enola said:

I think there is a big problem in AZ and the sheriff is doing what needs done. However, I also think this "all of a sudden" concern by the Obama administration is because it's time to vote soon again and the ONLY reason this was done.

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I do not think Obama is doing it for votes. Obama is pro-illegal who wants amnesty for illegals. So he is attempting to strip states of their ability to crack down on illegals so can later push for amnesty. Like most pro-illegals do he will falsely claim to be against illegal immigration but say we need amnesty to do something about the illegals already here and try to shove another Reagan amnesty down our throats. State like Oklahoma, Arizona and many others have proven that you don't need amnesty to deter illegal immigration.Pro-illegals detest this.

jamesrage said:

I do not think Obama is doing it for votes. Obama is pro-illegal who wants amnesty for illegals. So he is attempting to strip states of their ability to crack down on illegals so can later push for amnesty. Like most pro-illegals do he will falsely claim to be against illegal immigration but say we need amnesty to do something about the illegals already here and try to shove another Reagan amnesty down our throats. State like Oklahoma, Arizona and many others have proven that you don't need amnesty to deter illegal immigration.Pro-illegals detest this.

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...and an election is coming up.

mike2810 said:

The example you give is incomplete. It is an alleged complaint. Where is the proof that the only reason for her arrest was Latina? That is an unproven statement.

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No, it's not an alleged complaint, it's the actual complaint. That's why it says on the first page - COMPLAINT - right next to...

United States of America,
Plaintiff,

v.

Maricopa County, Arizona; Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office; and Joseph M. Arpaio, in his official capacity as Sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona,
Defendants.

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So why did DOJ refuse to provide that info to MCSO? What the complaint doesn't show is what lead MCSO to think she was an illegal. No drivers/ID issued by the State? False/improper SSN given to the officers? There is more to the story than what is provided by your link

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They gave them the specific complaint(s). The complaints will be tried in court, not in the document itself, as most complaints are.

mike2810 said:

Do I have my papers? Legal immigrants/aliens have to carry papers that they are in the country legally. It is a federal law. Illegal aliens would not have such proof since they are here illegally.

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In this particular complaint the documents says the woman was a U.S.-born Latina. In other examples in the document...62. For example, an MCSO officer stopped a Latina woman – a citizen of the United States and five months pregnant at the time – as she pulled into her driveway and 63. In another instance, during a crime suppression operation, two MCSO officers followed a Latina woman, a citizen of the United States...

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So this person could not come up with a AZ driver license/ID or a SSN? When at work don't you have your wallet with such items in it?

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The document nor articles say one way or the other. Anyway, it's immaterial, why should a U. S. citizen have to provide proof of citizenship simply because of their appearance.

mike2810 said:

I am a US citizen. If arrested for some legal reason, a check would show that. How about you?

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What if you are detained for the simple reason of being of a certain descent?

Why should you have to defend yourself for your appearance?

Enola said:

However, I also think this "all of a sudden" concern by the Obama administration is because it's time to vote soon again and the ONLY reason this was done.

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All of a sudden?

The DOJ conducted a comprehensive and independent investigation initiated in June 2008 under Section 14141 of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964

JURIST - Paper Chase: DOJ files discrimination suit against Arizona sheriff

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Illegal crossing US-Mexican border - RIA Novosti 110205 - YouTube

BWG said:

No, it's not an alleged complaint, it's the actual complaint. That's why it says on the first page - COMPLAINT - right next to...

United States of America,
Plaintiff,

v.

Maricopa County, Arizona; Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office; and Joseph M. Arpaio, in his official capacity as Sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona,
Defendants.


They gave them the specific complaint(s). The complaints will be tried in court, not in the document itself, as most complaints are.


In this particular complaint the documents says the woman was a U.S.-born Latina. In other examples in the document...62. For example, an MCSO officer stopped a Latina woman – a citizen of the United States and five months pregnant at the time – as she pulled into her driveway and 63. In another instance, during a crime suppression operation, two MCSO officers followed a Latina woman, a citizen of the United States...


The document nor articles say one way or the other. Anyway, it's immaterial, why should a U. S. citizen have to provide proof of citizenship simply because of their appearance.


What if you are detained for the simple reason of being of a certain descent?

Why should you have to defend yourself for your appearance?

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Ok. its a complaint. Yet because the courts have not decided it is not a proven complaint. '

It has yet to be proven that MCSO stops people based on apperience alone. I won't take your bait to answer a hypothetical situation of detained by appearence.

Here is one for you. Please describe the people crossing illegally into the US from Mexico.
Illegal crossing US-Mexican border - RIA Novosti 110205 - YouTube

Also if you followed MCSO, you would know that the "raids: they generally conduct are done based on tips that illegal aliens have been hired by a business, id theft by using false/bad ssn. Thought hiring of illegal aliens and using false ssn were against the law.
Guess you support hiring of illegal aliens and id theft?

I'll say it again. The courts will decide if MCSO has done something wrong. If found that they did MCSO needs to be held accountable. If MCSO is found to not have violated the law, will you admit your attacks are wrong? Will you admit that DOJ was wrong to take MCSO to court?

It is the DOJ complaint the person was held just by appearance. A complaint does not in itself mean fact. Still makes me wonder why a US citizen could not provide some sort of ID. Seems she wanted to esculate the incident? Even SB1070 does not allow LE to stop someone just because of appearence. They have to have a legal reason for the stop.

If the US govt did the job of enforcing immigration laws, States would not need to. With limited resources you would think the Feds would welcome assistance in this area. Instead they go about wasting federal/state/country tax dollars on court costs.

Wonder if the feds will reimburse MCSO for the times they have rescued stranded illegal aliens in the desert, have busted coyote drop off houses and arrested the smugglers, and reimburse the hospitials for the medical treatemets given? Or perhaps you woudl prefere MCSO do nothing, becuase its just a federal issue.

Matt Foley said:

...and an election is coming up.

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True.But this "lets try to stop states from doing anything about illegal immigration" has been going on since states first enacted laws to do something about it.

mike2810 said:

Wonder if the feds will reimburse MCSO for the times they have rescued stranded illegal aliens in the desert, have busted coyote drop off houses and arrested the smugglers, and reimburse the hospitials for the medical treatemets given? Or perhaps you woudl prefere MCSO do nothing, becuase its just a federal issue.

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Amazing how pro-illegals have the nerve to say its the fed's responsibility or its the Fed's problem when it is local states and cities who are the ones footing the tab for these illegals.

mike2810 said:

Yet, he keeps getting elected. Seems he is doing something right.

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Is this the determining standard? Anybody who keeps getting elected is doing it right? Are you sure you want this to be the standard of competence?

Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, John McCain, etc.?

Mycroft said:

And yet...he keeps getting re-elected to his Office.

Perhaps the Feds should listen to the People of Texas...and not their liberal political agenda.

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Right! I know as a resident of Texas myself, I am appalled at some of this sheriff's tactics. If I ever figure out how to vote in an Arizona election while still living in Texas I will vote to have Arpaio removed as sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona.

radcen said:

Is this the determining standard? Anybody who keeps getting elected is doing it right? Are you sure you want this to be the standard of competence?

Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, John McCain, etc.?

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So you support illegal aliens in the US?

As far as your question. Ask those that vote for the canidate if they are qualified. Better yet, vote as I do and we won't need to debate. I know I am right.:lol:

Texmex said:

Right! I know as a resident of Texas myself, I am appalled at some of this sheriff's tactics. If I ever figure out how to vote in an Arizona election while still living in Texas I will vote to have Arpaio removed as sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona.

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So your also support illegal aliens, id theft, human smugglers?

I think Sheriff Joe is feeling a little paranoid at the moment, being attacked by the cheap foreign labor lovers on the right and the anti-racist-racists on the left simultaneously on all levels of government and globally. Paranoid like Smith in the 1984 story.

So I give him some slack for acting a little paranoid, it's hard being right against a world so wrong. Although there might come a time when paranoia becomes so heavy then it's bad, even if you're right. Sheriff Joe just needs to keep sane.

Texmex said:

Right! I know as a resident of Texas myself, I am appalled at some of this sheriff's tactics. If I ever figure out how to vote in an Arizona election while still living in Texas I will vote to have Arpaio removed as sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona.

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I'm not. As a citizen of Texas, if he ever loses his job in Arizona, I hope he moves to my County in Texas. I like, this guy, have for many years.

I bet those that are so 'offended' by racial profiling, are glad organizations like the TSA don't do it, but instead harass old ladies, little kids, people in wheelchairs, etc. Because that sort of stuff makes more sense than looking at the type of people that 99% of the time commit the crimes they are trying to stop. Eh?

Matt Foley said:

I think Sheriff Joe is feeling a little paranoid at the moment, being attacked by the cheap foreign labor lovers on the right and the anti-racist-racists on the left simultaneously on all levels of government and globally. Paranoid like Smith in the 1984 story.

So I give him some slack for acting a little paranoid, it's hard being right against a world so wrong. Although there might come a time when paranoia becomes so heavy then it's bad, even if you're right. Sheriff Joe just needs to keep sane.

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From the "right"? It seems the "right" support tough illegal immigration laws. It is the "left" that supports illegal aliens.

DVSentinel said:

I'm not. As a citizen of Texas, if he ever loses his job in Arizona, I hope he moves to my County in Texas. I like, this guy, have for many years.

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Yeah, from what I know of the guy, Texas looks like a perfect fit for him. Racist, bigotted, assclown that he is.

winston53660 said:

A few days after the “Toughest Sheriff in America” oversaw his 60th Latino-harassing raid in the Phoenix area, the Obama administration’s top civil-rights lawyer flew to Phoenix and slappedSheriff Joe Arpaio and his office with a monumental civil-rights tort alleging rampant constitutional abuses, including widespread racial profiling of Latinos. The suit also claims the sheriff violated the civil rights of his critics by “illegal retaliation” that included baseless lawsuits and meritless administrative actions.
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Isn't profiling how the FBI catches serial killers? And yes, racial is part of the profiling. I guess the left would feel better, and safer, if they stopped this practice as well.

Wiggen said:

Yeah, from what I know of the guy, Texas looks like a perfect fit for him. Racist, bigotted, assclown that he is.

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In Dallas we have an openly lesbian Sheriff.

mike2810 said:

From the "right"? It seems the "right" support tough illegal immigration laws. It is the "left" that supports illegal aliens.

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In my experience, the "right" wants to punish those dirty immigrants, but has no interest in punishing those that benefit from the cheap labor they represent.

Why don't we simply make it EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE to get caught using illegal labor?

They wouldn't come here if no one was willing to hire them because they can't afford the fines.

Texmex said:

Right! I know as a resident of Texas myself, I am appalled at some of this sheriff's tactics. If I ever figure out how to vote in an Arizona election while still living in Texas I will vote to have Arpaio removed as sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona.

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Perhaps you should learn to read a thread before spouting off with smart-assed remarks, eh?

Silly... silly Americans.

What is Illegal Immigration really about?

Money.

Plain and simple.

You don't have to import cheap labour, you don't have to outsource cheap labour, the cheap labour comes right to you.

That's what this is really about, that's the reality of the situation, if you were to completely and totally quash illegal immigration tommorow to 0, the economy, especially on the border states would suffer.

So while ideally the Federal Government would completely close the border (not that's it's actually possible) the economic realities make it self defeating and both Republican and Democratic administrations have found this to be the case.

What if...? said:

In my experience, the "right" wants to punish those dirty immigrants, but has no interest in punishing those that benefit from the cheap labor they represent.

Why don't we simply make it EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE to get caught using illegal labor?

They wouldn't come here if no one was willing to hire them because they can't afford the fines.

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It's already supposedly extremely expensive to get caught. I've heard stories of $10k fines per offense, depending on where you are. The problem is, getting caught is very rare because there's no system in place to check immigration status and issue fines.

Jetboogieman said:

Silly... silly Americans.

What is Illegal Immigration really about?

Money.

Plain and simple.

You don't have to import cheap labour, you don't have to outsource cheap labour, the cheap labour comes right to you.

That's what this is really about, that's the reality of the situation, if you were to completely and totally quash illegal immigration tommorow to 0, the economy, especially on the border states would suffer.

So while ideally the Federal Government would completely close the border (not that's it's actually possible) the economic realities make it self defeating and both Republican and Democratic administrations have found this to be the case.

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The rich person's point of view of the situation.

While I sympathize with the rich person's point of view, lol, just kidding they can all go to hell.

mike2810 said:

From the "right"? It seems the "right" support tough illegal immigration laws. It is the "left" that supports illegal aliens.

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What use is kicking out 10-20 million illegals only to invite them back in 3 times that amount as "guest workers". In fact Amnesty for 10-20 million would be better for the American working class than 50 million "guest workers".

Wiggen said:

Yeah, from what I know of the guy, Texas looks like a perfect fit for him. Racist, bigotted, assclown that he is.

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Its interesting that your implied remarks about Texans place you squarely into at least two of the three categories of names you call the sheriff.