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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810
    Seems by the local tv news, one of the reasons its going to court is MCSO asked for specifics (evidence) to the alleged wrongdoings. DOJ, would not provide it. I would also say, see you in court.
    There are many specifics in the complaint. Here's one.

    73. In another raid, a U.S.-born Latina was taken into custody for four hours to determine whether she was lawfully in the United States. In response to media inquiries about this incident, Arpaio was quoted as saying: “That’s just normal police work. You sometimes take people in for probable cause for questioning and they’re released.” The only cause for her arrest was that she was Latina and on-site during a raid, reasons insufficient to provide probable cause for the detention.

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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    There are many specifics in the complaint. Here's one.



    Do you have your papers?

    The example you give is incomplete. It is an alleged complaint. Where is the proof that the only reason for her arrest was Latina? That is an unproven statement. So why did DOJ refuse to provide that info to MCSO? What the complaint doesn't show is what lead MCSO to think she was an illegal. No drivers/ID issued by the State? False/improper SSN given to the officers? There is more to the story than what is provided by your link

    Do I have my papers? Legal immigrants/aliens have to carry papers that they are in the country legally. It is a federal law. Illegal aliens would not have such proof since they are here illegally.

    So this person could not come up with a AZ driver license/ID or a SSN? When at work don't you have your wallet with such items in it?

    I am a US citizen. If arrested for some legal reason, a check would show that. How about you?
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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yes, it is BS. The fact is, Arizona has a massive problem with illegal immigration from Mexico. The overwhelming majority of illegal aliens are hispanic. How is going after the group that is responsible for the majority of criminals profiling? There are areas where they have massive problems with black gangs or hispanic gangs or asian gangs, how is it wrong, when looking for gang-related crime, to go after those groups? Oh no, we'd better be pulling over whites on the highway, even though we know they're not in the targetted gangs, because we can't profile!

    It's really idiotic. Go after the criminals. If the criminals are almost entirely from one group, then go after that group. I don't care if that group is black or white, male or female, young or old. Just go get them!
    All people who cross the border and enter the US illegally are criminals. Obama and company swore to uphold the laws of the land. They don't. Arizona passes a near identical law, Sheriff Joe enforces it. Holder sues per Barry's orders.

    Joe will win this one. Probably after the election

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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Good. The guy's been a walking civil rights violation for decades, and he's been nothing but a useless money sucking windbag for the community he allegedly serves. He's already cost his state millions of dollars in damages related to civil rights abuses and other related torts. So from that perspective this is nothing new, just a large scale.
    Actually he's saved the "county" millions of dollars and it is you pro-slavery cheap foreign labor lovers who cost the "county" millions of dollars in court abuse.

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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    I think there is a big problem in AZ and the sheriff is doing what needs done. However, I also think this "all of a sudden" concern by the Obama administration is because it's time to vote soon again and the ONLY reason this was done.

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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    I think there is a big problem in AZ and the sheriff is doing what needs done. However, I also think this "all of a sudden" concern by the Obama administration is because it's time to vote soon again and the ONLY reason this was done.

    I do not think Obama is doing it for votes. Obama is pro-illegal who wants amnesty for illegals. So he is attempting to strip states of their ability to crack down on illegals so can later push for amnesty. Like most pro-illegals do he will falsely claim to be against illegal immigration but say we need amnesty to do something about the illegals already here and try to shove another Reagan amnesty down our throats. State like Oklahoma, Arizona and many others have proven that you don't need amnesty to deter illegal immigration.Pro-illegals detest this.
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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do not think Obama is doing it for votes. Obama is pro-illegal who wants amnesty for illegals. So he is attempting to strip states of their ability to crack down on illegals so can later push for amnesty. Like most pro-illegals do he will falsely claim to be against illegal immigration but say we need amnesty to do something about the illegals already here and try to shove another Reagan amnesty down our throats. State like Oklahoma, Arizona and many others have proven that you don't need amnesty to deter illegal immigration.Pro-illegals detest this.
    ...and an election is coming up.

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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810
    The example you give is incomplete. It is an alleged complaint. Where is the proof that the only reason for her arrest was Latina? That is an unproven statement.
    No, it's not an alleged complaint, it's the actual complaint. That's why it says on the first page - COMPLAINT - right next to...

    United States of America,
    Plaintiff,

    v.

    Maricopa County, Arizona; Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office; and Joseph M. Arpaio, in his official capacity as Sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona,
    Defendants.

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810
    So why did DOJ refuse to provide that info to MCSO? What the complaint doesn't show is what lead MCSO to think she was an illegal. No drivers/ID issued by the State? False/improper SSN given to the officers? There is more to the story than what is provided by your link
    They gave them the specific complaint(s). The complaints will be tried in court, not in the document itself, as most complaints are.

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810
    Do I have my papers? Legal immigrants/aliens have to carry papers that they are in the country legally. It is a federal law. Illegal aliens would not have such proof since they are here illegally.
    In this particular complaint the documents says the woman was a U.S.-born Latina. In other examples in the document...62. For example, an MCSO officer stopped a Latina woman – a citizen of the United States and five months pregnant at the time – as she pulled into her driveway and 63. In another instance, during a crime suppression operation, two MCSO officers followed a Latina woman, a citizen of the United States...

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810
    So this person could not come up with a AZ driver license/ID or a SSN? When at work don't you have your wallet with such items in it?
    The document nor articles say one way or the other. Anyway, it's immaterial, why should a U. S. citizen have to provide proof of citizenship simply because of their appearance.

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810
    I am a US citizen. If arrested for some legal reason, a check would show that. How about you?
    What if you are detained for the simple reason of being of a certain descent?

    Why should you have to defend yourself for your appearance?
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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola
    However, I also think this "all of a sudden" concern by the Obama administration is because it's time to vote soon again and the ONLY reason this was done.
    All of a sudden?
    The DOJ conducted a comprehensive and independent investigation initiated in June 2008 under Section 14141 of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964

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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Illegal crossing US-Mexican border - RIA Novosti 110205 - YouTube
    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    No, it's not an alleged complaint, it's the actual complaint. That's why it says on the first page - COMPLAINT - right next to...

    United States of America,
    Plaintiff,

    v.

    Maricopa County, Arizona; Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office; and Joseph M. Arpaio, in his official capacity as Sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona,
    Defendants.


    They gave them the specific complaint(s). The complaints will be tried in court, not in the document itself, as most complaints are.


    In this particular complaint the documents says the woman was a U.S.-born Latina. In other examples in the document...62. For example, an MCSO officer stopped a Latina woman – a citizen of the United States and five months pregnant at the time – as she pulled into her driveway and 63. In another instance, during a crime suppression operation, two MCSO officers followed a Latina woman, a citizen of the United States...


    The document nor articles say one way or the other. Anyway, it's immaterial, why should a U. S. citizen have to provide proof of citizenship simply because of their appearance.


    What if you are detained for the simple reason of being of a certain descent?

    Why should you have to defend yourself for your appearance?
    Ok. its a complaint. Yet because the courts have not decided it is not a proven complaint. '

    It has yet to be proven that MCSO stops people based on apperience alone. I won't take your bait to answer a hypothetical situation of detained by appearence.

    Here is one for you. Please describe the people crossing illegally into the US from Mexico.
    Illegal crossing US-Mexican border - RIA Novosti 110205 - YouTube

    Also if you followed MCSO, you would know that the "raids: they generally conduct are done based on tips that illegal aliens have been hired by a business, id theft by using false/bad ssn. Thought hiring of illegal aliens and using false ssn were against the law.
    Guess you support hiring of illegal aliens and id theft?

    I'll say it again. The courts will decide if MCSO has done something wrong. If found that they did MCSO needs to be held accountable. If MCSO is found to not have violated the law, will you admit your attacks are wrong? Will you admit that DOJ was wrong to take MCSO to court?

    It is the DOJ complaint the person was held just by appearance. A complaint does not in itself mean fact. Still makes me wonder why a US citizen could not provide some sort of ID. Seems she wanted to esculate the incident? Even SB1070 does not allow LE to stop someone just because of appearence. They have to have a legal reason for the stop.

    If the US govt did the job of enforcing immigration laws, States would not need to. With limited resources you would think the Feds would welcome assistance in this area. Instead they go about wasting federal/state/country tax dollars on court costs.

    Wonder if the feds will reimburse MCSO for the times they have rescued stranded illegal aliens in the desert, have busted coyote drop off houses and arrested the smugglers, and reimburse the hospitials for the medical treatemets given? Or perhaps you woudl prefere MCSO do nothing, becuase its just a federal issue.

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