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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Well, more accurately I should say that the collateral damage it does would be mitigated by creating a proper guest worker program like I discussed.
    Now the lefties are on board with "guest workers". Oh goody, why not just drop the pretense and just bring slavery back.

    You know "guest workers" is worse than Amnesty. What's worse?

    1) Amnesty for 10-20 million illegals
    2) 50 million guest workers

    "50 million so high." Before the Civil War, there were an equal amount of slaves to freemen in most Southern States.

    The constitution spells out clearly what rights are given to citizens, what rights are given to everybody
    Rights given to everybody? Is it the Constitution of the United States, or is it the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights?



    It's actually under 11 million undocumented immigrants- Illegal immigrant numbers plunge - Los Angeles Times

    If all undocumented immigrants were counted in the census, that would be about 20%. But more likely most undocumented immigrants did not respond to the census, so it'd be more like 16% or so.
    Your guess is as good as anyone else's.

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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    Now the lefties are on board with "guest workers". Oh goody, why not just drop the pretense and just bring slavery back.

    You know "guest workers" is worse than Amnesty. What's worse?

    1) Amnesty for 10-20 million illegals
    2) 50 million guest workers

    "50 million so high." Before the Civil War, there were an equal amount of slaves to freemen in most Southern States.
    Well, we have three options- status quo, guest worker program, economic collapse. Which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    Rights given to everybody? Is it the Constitution of the United States, or is it the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights?
    I don't get why you are struggling with this so much. For example, the right to due process of law is granted to all people. That just makes sense, doesn't it? How would we even know if somebody was a citizen or not without due process? Why would we want the government just acting at random with regards to anybody, regardless of whether they were citizens or not? We wouldn't of course. So, they gave that right to all people.

    Seriously man, this isn't some controversial thing, it is just something you were not previously aware of. There isn't like some ongoing debate about it or something. It is a totally settled and universally agreed on interpretation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    Your guess is as good as anyone else's.
    Guess? That's the number from DHS. They don't guess lol, they study it.
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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Well, we have three options- status quo, guest worker program, economic collapse. Which do you prefer?
    That's what the pro-slavery guys said before the Civil War, "Oh we need the slaves, our economy would be destroyed without the cheap foreign labor, woe is me."

    bottom one: Examples of 19th Century Pro-Slavery Arguments at the Lyceum

    Why are you making the exact same pro-slavery arguments in 2012? Hey the 18th century called, they want their talking points back.

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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    We were promised that the Simpson Mazzoli Immigration Bill in the 1980s would solve the illegal immigration problem if only we would give amnesty to illegal aliens. We were promised that the border would be secured. We were lied to.

    Having been lied to once we will never believe mere words ever again on this subject. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. There won't be a second time.

    You ladies and gentlemen on the left have nothing to offer us. Quid pro quo? There can't be a quid without a quo.
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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    That's what the pro-slavery guys said before the Civil War, "Oh we need the slaves, our economy would be destroyed without the cheap foreign labor, woe is me."

    bottom one: Examples of 19th Century Pro-Slavery Arguments at the Lyceum

    Why are you making the exact same pro-slavery arguments in 2012? Hey the 18th century called, they want their talking points back.
    Ugh... I know I'll regret asking, but fine... Tell me how you think a guest worker program is like slavery...
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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    We were promised that the Simpson Mazzoli Immigration Bill in the 1980s would solve the illegal immigration problem if only we would give amnesty to illegal aliens. We were promised that the border would be secured. We were lied to.

    Having been lied to once we will never believe mere words ever again on this subject. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. There won't be a second time.

    You ladies and gentlemen on the left have nothing to offer us. Quid pro quo? There can't be a quid without a quo.
    Lied to? What does the border being secured mean to you? You can just say it isn't "secure" no matter what anybody does unless you define a very clear line.
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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Lied to? What does the border being secured mean to you? You can just say it isn't "secure" no matter what anybody does unless you define a very clear line.
    What is a promise made without any intention of performing it? You know the answer. That's a form of actionable fraud.

    What is a secure border? A secure border is one that can't be violated by twenty million people without so much as a by your leave.

    There are tens of millions of people like me who believe we have been lied to and we're really pissed off to the point where we won't compromise over any thing. That is a very real problem for any one who seeks amnesty.

    Opinion is informed by experience. Our experience tells us we have been lied to. We will only become more and more........unhappy with the passage of time. And we are going to be around for decades yet.

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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    What is a secure border? A secure border is one that can't be violated by twenty million people without so much as a by your leave.
    Answer the question. What would qualify as secure for you.
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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Ugh... I know I'll regret asking, but fine... Tell me how you think a guest worker program is like slavery...
    Uh, they're not allowed to raise families while here, can't bring their families here, they earn crap wages, don't have any residency rights.

    Why do you think there's a distinction between "guest worker" and a normal citizen? Paperwork? You guys aren't as "enlightened" as you think you are.

    The greatest profit making is in human cattle; guest workers, slaves, free trade, doesn't matter.
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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    Uh, they're not allowed to raise families while here, can't bring their families here, they earn crap wages, don't have any residency rights.

    Why do you think there's a distinction between "guest worker" and a normal citizen? Paperwork? You guys aren't as "enlightened" as you think you are.

    The greatest profit making is in human cattle; guest workers, slaves, free trade, doesn't matter.
    Ok. So calling it "slavery" was just you being ridiculous, right? What you really mean is just that being a guest worker wouldn't be as good as being a citizen. That's right of course. But it would certainly be better than being undocumented, so plenty of people would still opt to do it, so I don't see the problem. Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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