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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    The "racial profiling" carried out by the MCSO has meant that some folks who have lived in the region a bit longer than Sheriff Joe have also been targeted.

    April 2008
    Members of the Pascua Yaqui Tribe of Arizona are upset by the immigration tactics of Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

    Tribal members in the town of Guadalupe say they are being pulled over because they look Mexican. It's part of Arpaio's effort to crack down on people who are in the U.S. illegally.
    then there is Arpaio's blatant racism which has caused him to run his mouth more than once, probably some of those past words will come back to haunt him in a courtroom
    March 2010
    What was Arpaio's response to the news that his Kris Kobach-trained deputies has violated the civil rights of a single mother and terrorized her no end?

    "That's just normal police work, " he shrugged in a news conference following the raid. "Sometimes you do have probable cause, you do take people in for questioning, and they're released."

    So it's arrest 'em if they're brown first, and sort 'em out later. False arrest and imprisonment be damned.

    Perhaps the U.S. Department of Justice and the FBI should follow Arpaio's way of doing things. There's probable cause enough out there that Arpaio's deprived others of their civil rights and done so under the color of law.

    So arrest him, and sort out the details later.
    Why not? What's good for the goose should be fine for the gander, right?
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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The "racial profiling" carried out by the MCSO has meant that some folks who have lived in the region a bit longer than Sheriff Joe have also been targeted.

    April 2008


    then there is Arpaio's blatant racism which has caused him to run his mouth more than once, probably some of those past words will come back to haunt him in a courtroom
    March 2010


    Why not? What's good for the goose should be fine for the gander, right?


    She wasn't arrested, she was detained for questioning. Everyone is subject to the possibility of it happening to them. Obviously it can be an upsetting experience, so can a lot of things in life. Deal with it and move on. You aren't a special snowflake.

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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    She wasn't arrested, she was detained for questioning. Everyone has to deal with it. Obviously it can be an upsetting experience, so can a lot of things in life. Deal with it and move on. You aren't a special snowflake.
    Nice way to play with words. Tell me, what is the difference between being "arrested" and being "detained"?
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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Nice way to play with words. Tell me, what is the difference between being "arrested" and being "detained"?
    Arrested means charges are filed against you. The police can detain a person for up to 48 hours in most areas without filing charges.

    Like it or not, there is a difference.
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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Doubtful Old joe will lose the election...

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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Nice way to play with words. Tell me, what is the difference between being "arrested" and being "detained"?
    Detaining someone is a relatively short period of time where you are only being asked to supply some information. An arrest requires probable cause and you are actually treated like a criminal until a warrant is issue, then other things can/might happen. The police officer will also tell you if you are being detained or you are being arrested. You shouldnt worry much about being detained if you have done nothing wrong.

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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Arrested means charges are filed against you. The police can detain a person for up to 48 hours in most areas without filing charges.

    Like it or not, there is a difference.

    Can you provide a legal citation for these definitions? Would the definition be different in different states? If "charges are filed" and later found to be based upon a falsity, either evidential or the words of the arresting officer, would that still constitute an arrest as the "filed" charges were found to be invalid?
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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Detaining someone is a relatively short period of time
    Does 'several days" constitute a "relatively short period of time"? What if you lose your job because you have been detained unjustly and can't show up for work?
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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Does 'several days" constitute a "relatively short period of time"? What if you lose your job because you have been detained unjustly and can't show up for work?
    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Can you provide a legal citation for these definitions? Would the definition be different in different states? If "charges are filed" and later found to be based upon a falsity, either evidential or the words of the arresting officer, would that still constitute an arrest as the "filed" charges were found to be invalid?
    The definition isn't different, but the general allowable timeframe is. Most states I know allow a max of 24 hour detainment, and then you must either be let go or arrested formally. MOST detainment are fairly short -- when you are pulled over by a cop you are being detained. How long will they keep you? For as long as they need to verify your insurance/warrant search/etc. But in this case you had a ton of people who all had to be sorted out and their records verified/warrants searched for.
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    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Can you provide a legal citation for the difference between "detention" and "arrest"? I do agree that holding someone in the back of a patrol car for an hour or so would be "detention". However I would hold that taking a person to a detention facility, stripping, frisking, photographing and then holding for even 24 hours would constitute an arrest.
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