Page 14 of 22 FirstFirst ... 41213141516 ... LastLast
Results 131 to 140 of 214

Thread: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

  1. #131
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Last Seen
    09-27-16 @ 12:59 PM
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    5,189

    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Perhaps you should learn to read a thread before spouting off with smart-assed remarks, eh?
    Perhaps you should learn to check out your facts before posting them on the Internet. That may save you from making more smart-assed remarks in the future, eh?

  2. #132
    Sage
    Mycroft's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:45 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    25,872

    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Perhaps you should learn to check out your facts before posting them on the Internet. That may save you from making more smart-assed remarks in the future, eh?
    Me making smart-assed remarks??? No, dude, it was YOU with the smart-assed remark.

    I made a mistake and I owned up to it. Long after my mistake...and almost 20 posts after my correction...you come along with your smart-mouth.

    As I said...try reading the thread.
    TANSTAAFL

    “An armed society is a polite society.”
    ― Robert A. Heinlein, Beyond This Horizon

  3. #133
    Guru
    Aderleth's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Last Seen
    04-08-16 @ 06:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    4,294

    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post

    Based on that reasoning a United States citizen cannot demand Chinese rights and privileges that are exclusive to Chinese nationals in China.
    I'm not aware of any such rights. Just like the Constitution is not exclusive to US citizens. This is a common misconception. Again: you've convinced yourself that's the case, can you back it up with anything? Anything at all? (hint: the answer is no, because it's not true)

  4. #134
    Sage
    teamosil's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    San Francisco
    Last Seen
    05-22-14 @ 12:47 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    6,623

    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    The American Constitution is for American citizens.
    Actually, its more complicated than that. There are rights the constitution grants to citizens only. For example, the 14th amendment reads "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States".

    Then there are rights that the constitution grants to all people, regardless of whether they are citizens or here legally or anything. For example, the 5th amendment reads "No person shall ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law".

    Then there are things that the government is simply forbidden from doing without any consideration of who it is doing it to. For example, the 1st amendment reads that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press".

    But, putting that aside, what Arpaio is accused of doing, amongst other things, is using racial profiling. Racial profiling means deciding to target an entire race rather than just those who are here illegally. He is violating the constitutional rights of Hispanic US citizens every single day.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

  5. #135
    Sage
    mike2810's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    arizona
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:30 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    15,027

    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    But, putting that aside, what Arpaio is accused of doing, amongst other things, is using racial profiling. Racial profiling means deciding to target an entire race rather than just those who are here illegally. He is violating the constitutional rights of Hispanic US citizens every single day.
    Question: How would you descibe the majority of people crossing the Mexican border into the US without permission? When you do is it racial profiling? I am not saying what MCSO does is correct all the time. The issue of illegal aliens from Mexico is a complex problem and not easily addressed.

    imo, certain politicians and groups use the term "racial" profiling to bring about their point. Seldom do these politicians address the illegal alien problem and the issues that it presents. Nor do they give credit when LE busts a drop house and arrest the coyotes who have abused women, children and men who were brought into the US illegally by the coyote. Nor do they give recognition when LE rescues illegal aliens from the desert and provide medical treatment.

    So I guess for some the solution is for MCSO to completel ignore ID theft, human smuggling, or rescue mission when it comes to illegal aliens. It is just a federal problem.

  6. #136
    Professor
    vendur's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Last Seen
    06-05-13 @ 08:35 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    1,250

    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    But, putting that aside, what Arpaio is accused of doing, amongst other things, is using racial profiling. Racial profiling means deciding to target an entire race rather than just those who are here illegally. He is violating the constitutional rights of Hispanic US citizens every single day.
    Too bad "hispanic" isn't a race.

  7. #137
    Sage
    teamosil's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    San Francisco
    Last Seen
    05-22-14 @ 12:47 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    6,623

    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Question: How would you descibe the majority of people crossing the Mexican border into the US without permission? When you do is it racial profiling?
    That isn't what racial profiling means. Racial profiling means treating people like criminals just because of their race. For example, what Arpaio does is what he calls "immigration sweeps". They surround a majority Hispanic neighborhood and close in arresting every Hispanic person they see on trumped up charges. "Poorly lit license plate" is one of his favorites, but all kinds of things from "disorderly conduct" to "loitering". Every totally subjective "crime" they can just toss at anybody they like. Loitering charges for customers eating in a restaurant and whatnot. Then he announces that he suspects that all of their IDs are fake. They haul them all down to the jail in buses and lock them up in the massive holding pens he has constructed. They process them and run their information through ICE for confirmation of their citizenship status. That sometimes take several days. Then, once they figure out that they're citizens, they release them. A couple months later, they're back doing it all over again to the same neighborhood. That's what the DOJ has exhaustively documented. It isn't remotely equivalent to somebody making assumptions about what race illegal immigrants are, it is a massive orchestrated campaign to persecute Hispanics because of the color of their skin.

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I am not saying what MCSO does is correct all the time. The issue of illegal aliens from Mexico is a complex problem and not easily addressed.
    The argument that illegal immigration is so bad or so hard to prosecute that we need to resort to racial profiling is completely unacceptable to me. First, just because it is immoral and unconstitutional in the extreme. The harm done by racial profiling is many times greater than the harm done by illegal immigration. If we are going to just throw the constitution, and even the concept that government sponsored racial persecution is bad, out the window, you would need a massively bigger threat than illegal immigration to justify it. Second, I think everybody would agree that say drunk driving is a much more serious problem than illegal immigration, right? Over 10,000 people a year are killed by drunk drivers. That is almost as many people as are murdered total in the country each year. Well, statistically whites are far, far, more likely to drive drunk than any other race. More than 85% of drunk driving incidents are committed by whites. About the same as the percentage of illegal immigrants that are Hispanic. So, if illegal immigration is a big enough problem to justify using racial profiling, why not just have the cops start pulling over every white person driving a car, hauling them down to the station, and holding them in a cell until they complete a blood test?
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

  8. #138
    Sage
    teamosil's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    San Francisco
    Last Seen
    05-22-14 @ 12:47 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    6,623

    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    Too bad "hispanic" isn't a race.
    Ethnicity has all the same moral and legal protections that races do, so not sure what your point is. People use the term "racial profiling" to encompass both.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

  9. #139
    Sage
    mike2810's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    arizona
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:30 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    15,027

    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    tea:
    imo you have overblown what happens in Maricopa country.
    we will agree to disagree.

  10. #140
    Sage
    teamosil's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    San Francisco
    Last Seen
    05-22-14 @ 12:47 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    6,623

    Re: Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    tea:
    imo you have overblown what happens in Maricopa country.
    we will agree to disagree.
    Well, that might have made sense before the DOJ released all its findings. Now it's all out on the table in the open. It has been thoroughly documented. They have boatloads of video tape, official records, testimony from victims and officers and bystanders, etc. It is no longer a matter for speculation, it's all been documented.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

Page 14 of 22 FirstFirst ... 41213141516 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •