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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Maybe by removing them, they feel better about their behavior.
    Either that or they realize that teh government isn't well suited to run churches.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    If they are just a display in a school for no more purpose than decoration, then why is it bad for them to be cut down to the six that are unlikely to offend or intimidate anyone? Personally, I would have just told them to take them down.
    Well me to, but I guess we're dealing with a lot of folks who see it differently. The poster wasn't harming anyone while it was up, and no one is harmed by it's taking down.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Because all children and teens know that just because something is so important to the school that they need it displayed, that it isn't really something they need to take to heart or think that not believing in would cause them any grief. Sure.
    My high-school displaying a few religious items didn't stop me from being wiccan, so I can't relate.

    Plus, I noticed you didn't address my other point in this.
    There was a reason for that.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Do you think that it would be the other side having an issue with a display of the Laws of Islam being up in a school as the only image until being advised by legal council that they should include other, non-religious, historical documents?
    Not if there's a significant Islamic presence in the community. These religious displays are cultural vestiges, so Christian displays in predominantly christian communities are to be expected, as are Jewish displays in Jewish communities, Buddhist displays in Buddhist communities, and a mix of displays in a mixed community.

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    And those hunting laws would not apply to bugs.
    Yes I know, thank you for reiterating the painfully obvious just in case anyone else missed the qualifier "most" which I included in that statement.

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    The only time any "no killing" law applies to bugs is when the bug in question is an endangered species. Most aren't.
    Yup.....I couldn't care less, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And the KJV Bible says "thou shalt not kill". And the one up in the HS appears to be "thou shall not kill", not "thou shall not murder". (going off the images I can find on this)
    Well, it's "murder", not "kill", so any document which states "kill" is wrong, including the KJV.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't know, I just don't feel it that way. I think that maybe we see more Christian stuff because demographically we're mostly Christian. I mean, sure they should hang up other things; I just don't think that they should have to. Let the local school boards decide what's appropriate. So long as students aren't being forced or the rights of others are not being infringed upon, I see no real issue.
    IMO the lawsuit was the wrong way to go.

    At the outset of controversy, the school should have taken the poster down, students who wanted it up should have formed a Christian student group who could then display material, just like any student group, in the hallway. Now it's free religious expression by the student body, not endorsed religion by the school. The Commandments stay up, so the Christians are happy. If any local atheists want to make a counter display they could form a student group and acquire their equal space on the wall and post their views by putting absolutely nothing there, so the atheists would be happy. If there were any other religions, political affiliations, hobbiests or etc among the student body which wanted to display their material, they could likewise form student groups and display their material in an equal space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Either that or they realize that teh government isn't well suited to run churches.
    Show me where they are running churches.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well me to, but I guess we're dealing with a lot of folks who see it differently. The poster wasn't harming anyone while it was up, and no one is harmed by it's taking down.
    No one was harmed because they relied on the rule of law to take the poster down. The harm comes when people think our laws don't apply to them. Apathy is poor excuse for ignoring the principles this country was founded on.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    No one was harmed because they relied on the rule of law to take the poster down. The harm comes when people think our laws don't apply to them. Apathy is poor excuse for ignoring the principles this country was founded on.
    Our laws?? Are you a law maker? Do you honestly feel the constitution protects you from anything? If a christian community wishes to hang christian posters that is their business. Who are you, or the government, to decide outside of your community what others should and should not do. People cry "give me liberty" people cry "let me be free" yet when a community tries to use that right, you jump in and say "Nope, I meant be free as long as it agrees with this law and that law and oh don't forget that law over there... guess what, we made a new law..." pffft, you don't want liberty... you want liberty for people that think like you.

    Don't try to give me this Constitution crap either... it was written 200 years ago by men that wished to have liberty but still owned slaves. A bunch of hypocrites. That's like one slave getting his freedom, only to enslave another for his own.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    No one was harmed because they relied on the rule of law to take the poster down. The harm comes when people think our laws don't apply to them. Apathy is poor excuse for ignoring the principles this country was founded on.
    No one was harmed because it was just a decorative piece of laminated paper hung on a wall.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zelaphi View Post
    Our laws?? Are you a law maker? Do you honestly feel the constitution protects you from anything? If a christian community wishes to hang christian posters that is their business. Who are you, or the government, to decide outside of your community what others should and should not do. People cry "give me liberty" people cry "let me be free" yet when a community tries to use that right, you jump in and say "Nope, I meant be free as long as it agrees with this law and that law and oh don't forget that law over there... guess what, we made a new law..." pffft, you don't want liberty... you want liberty for people that think like you.

    Don't try to give me this Constitution crap either... it was written 200 years ago by men that wished to have liberty but still owned slaves. A bunch of hypocrites. That's like one slave getting his freedom, only to enslave another for his own.
    Actually the abolition of slavery was going to be in the original bill of rights, but had to be taken out to collect enough signatures for ratification. So it was either have a new nation and shelve slavery for another day, or no new nation at all.

    Politics, go figure.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Students are forced to go to school and if religious influence is plastered all over the walls and/or taught in the classroom, then that is forced indoctrination.
    I just think that's a bit BS. Hell I went to Catholic school where religion really was being taught and preached and I still turned out atheist.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I just think that's a bit BS. Hell I went to Catholic school where religion really was being taught and preached and I still turned out atheist.
    I even hear some children raised by gay parents turn out to be straight. It's a crazy world.

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