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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Public schools are run by the government. Turn the schools into churches and you have government churches. Teaching religious mores is the job of the churches, not the job of the government. Anyone who values freedom understands that letting the government take over religion is an instant path to tyranny, which is why we have a separation between the two.

    The separation clause is lifted from the Virginia rights statements, authored by Jefferson. Jefferson explaining what he meant is a lot more telling than you explaining what he meant, especially when he disagrees with you about what he meant.

    Ie: You're wrong. Theocracy is bad. It's also illegal. No government churches, including in the school system.
    that entire post was thrown so far out of context straw man doesnt even apply,maybe a straw giant.


    next time try and argue against what i say not a distorted view of what you think i meant
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    then it simply comes down to ones definition of forced.are you not forced to see advertising on the road?are you not forced to see campaign ads,or listen to public speakers on the street corner.i fail to see where anyone is forced religion upon them by the state,and i have yet to see anything that suggests freedom from religion in the constitution.

    freedom from religion can also be viewed as prohibiting the free excersise of,since deciding where people are allowed and not allowed to practice religion is a direct violation of the first amendment,as clearly written.

    however posting or practicing religious matters is fully supported by the first amendment,i fail to see where a building is a person or a group,so technically there is nothing in the constitution protecting a courthouse or a school's right to have religious matter,but banning something like praying within that school or courthouse directly violated the first amendment blatantly in clear english!!!
    It all depends on who's doing it. If the school administration does it, they are endorsing a religion as an arm of the government. That's not OK.


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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It all depends on who's doing it. If the school administration does it, they are endorsing a religion as an arm of the government. That's not OK.
    well yesif it is done by the school or any part of govt,yes that would violate the first amendment,as govt would be dealing with religious matters.

    if someone like a teacher had a cross pinned to his shirt,no that would not be a violation,so long as it is not part of the school education.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The Federalist Papers are not law.

    You might not know this, but you aren't a Supreme Court justice. You're free to have a different point of view, but their interpretation of the Constitution is what counts. Unless you are a Constitutional law scholar, and the greatest unrecognized legal mind of your generation...
    So basically you can't defend their ruling so you're deciding to fall back on their authority only. We have a name for that its called the appeal to authority fallacy.

    And you have no idea who I am so discrediting me personally based on my qualifications that you haven't a clue about is not workable.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So basically you can't defend their ruling so you're deciding to fall back on their authority only. We have a name for that its called the appeal to authority fallacy.

    And you have no idea who I am so discrediting me personally based on my qualifications that you haven't a clue about is not workable.
    what i dont get is why jefferson is used in court when madison authored the first amendment,and jefferson has stated multiple times he is not an authority with the constitution as he wasnt even in america during its ratification.

    the technical authority on the bill of rights would be madison.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    that entire post was thrown so far out of context straw man doesnt even apply,maybe a straw giant.


    next time try and argue against what i say not a distorted view of what you think i meant
    I did.

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    well yesif it is done by the school or any part of govt,yes that would violate the first amendment,as govt would be dealing with religious matters.
    And this is a case of the school administration putting up religious doctrine in a public school. Teaching religion is not the job of the government, as I explained in the post you dodged. Using the schools to proselytise for your religion is effectively creating government run churches. It's illegal.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    I did.



    And this is a case of the school administration putting up religious doctrine in a public school. Teaching religion is not the job of the government, as I explained in the post you dodged. Using the schools to proselytise for your religion is effectively creating government run churches. It's illegal.
    no dude you only performed an epic strawman,and tried to knock it down.

    now i never once said schools should be run by religion,you attacked me in an earlier post on something i never said.i simply broke down the amendment and speculation surroundingit.

    you took what i said so far out of context farm animals worldwide hadto starve because the amount of straw your strawman consumed.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

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    I only swallow during romantic lovemaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Why do militant atheists have to throw a fit over hanging the 10 Commandments? People are to hypersensitive, and it's a public place and should be allowed to hang.
    Maybe by removing them, they feel better about their behavior.

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