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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

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    This is not an answer.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This is not an answer.
    Yeah, it looks more like whining. "Waaa, I want my religion imposed on everyone else and someone refused to allow it. waaa."

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Yeah, it looks more like whining. "Waaa, I want my religion imposed on everyone else and someone refused to allow it. waaa."

    "Imposed"? What the....? Were the other students paraded by the poster, and ordered to read it or something?

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    "Imposed"? What the....? Were the other students paraded by the poster, and ordered to read it or something?

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    It was in their face everytime they walked in the front door of the school.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
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    A high school is not a place for random advertisements, whether they be for religion, politics, or products. As far as many are concerned the 10 Commandments hanging in the halls of a HS, particularly by themselves, is at the least an advertisement for Christianity or to practice those Commandments. They do not belong up.

    And, no, the little historical document collage they tried to hide them within is not good enough. First, it is obvious that it only went up as a sort of judicial shield for the 10 Commandments. And secondly, putting them in there makes it appear as though they somehow provided a basis for our country as a historical document. They didn't.

    If they have a religious studies class, put them in there, along with such rules/laws from other religions. The judge is trying to be nice here and give them an option for keeping them where they are. If they don't take this option, it is very likely they will be forced by a court decision to remove them.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    If they don't take this option, it is very likely they will be forced by a court decision to remove them.
    and it will cost a low-income, rural school district money that could have been used for education
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    and it will cost a low-income, rural school district money that could have been used for education
    Exactly. The three members who voted to put them up should be voted out, but, of course, they'll be hailed as hero's and reelected while the kids reuse out-of-date text books. Some people just don't have any sense.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    The first amendment is fairly easy to understand, the state can neither establish an official religion nor can it ban the free exercise of religion by any citizen. Posting of religious material on a school wall or allowing the use of public space to display a religious monument or message does not establish any particular religion unless it is done at the exclusion of all others or uses public funds for only one religion (but not another). Obviously only one object may occupy the exact same space, yet if a subsequent religion (or non-religion for equal treatment of the atheists) is allowed to add their own 'competing' message/monument as well, what harm is done? There may be a point at which the public space is too full to accept more, but that is rarely likely to be the case. The assertion that any and all religious material may not be placed in or around public spaces is clearly violating the right to allow the citizens their free exercise of religion, it would then be relegated to exist only in private spaces. As an example, I will use a public cemetary, it may contain markers bearing any number of religious symbols, without any 'establishment' of a state religion. As long as the state offers only the space, and allows equal access to all citizens (or groups) of all religions to place their materials there, then there is no constitutional harm as the state has neither established a religion nor have they prevented the free exercise of religion by allowing ALL citizens to place religious messages, symbols or monuments there.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    If the school in question does not deny the addition of competing religious material then what is the harm? If they allow a judeo/christian document yet refused to post an islamic document then that may pose a real constitutional issue, but to expect the complete absense of any and all 'religious' material in public places is absurd, much like many communist societies that disallow any and all religions. What if a teacher or other school official wore a religious symbol on a piece of jewelry, or dressed in a manner depicting their religion, would that 'establish' a state religion? I think not, it is simply allowing that official and any other gov't official to freely exercise their religion.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The assertion that any and all religious material may not be placed in or around public spaces is clearly violating the right to allow the citizens their free exercise of religion, it would then be relegated to exist only in private spaces.
    The government is being told it can't do this, not any citizens. Don't confuse the two.

    As far as everyone putting up anything they like, it's a bull**** plan. The fundi religious nutters in my town won the right to put nativity scenes on the courthouse lawn, as long as everyone else was also allowed to, on a first-come first-serve basis. Now, every year in Leesburg, there are crazy-as-hell displays, and there's always some butt-hurt xtian tearing them down.

    Skeleton Santa Controversy at Loudoun County Courthouse | NBC4 Washington

    There was also recently a Santa hanged by the neck until dead, which some pious christian tore down right in front of a cop. These ****ers say they want anyone to be able to put anything in public spaces, but they don't even come close to meaning it.

    Simple enough: Put your religious crap in your church and your house. It doesn't have to be in a school or a courthouse.
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