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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And I would suggest that instead of thinking up Science Fiction writers that align with some sort of one world view that you agree with, that maybe you stick with people that actually read what the founders were saying, and intending about our founding documents.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    I wonder what Teacher says when Little Johnny, on a field trip to the Supreme Court, points to Moses says, "Teacher, who's that? And what is he holding?" This is hilarious.
    Not that hard to answer really. "That is Moses. He gave some laws to his people. Just as those others did." There is no need to mention where those laws came from or anything about the religious aspect of it. And it isn't a lie. Moses gave the laws to his people. Heck, they aren't even in English.

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    As in Moses (and Muhammad and Solomon, etc.) said or did something useful for our society.
    There is nothing wrong with giving people laws. It is wrong to make children, even mistakenly believe, that our public schools are endorsing any laws from any particular religion.

    Those Ten Commandments were up in that school alone for years. They were not part of any "important historical documents" display or even a "religious documents" display until the school was advised on legal counsel within the last few months to put them as such in an effort to try to imply that that was the reason they were being displayed and not as a nod to certain religious beliefs/laws. The school was wrong here. The SC has ruled prior to this that schools should not have the 10 Commandments hanging in a school building as they were because it does give the impression that the public school is favoring one religious belief over others.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not that hard to answer really. "That is Moses. He gave some laws to his people. Just as those others did." There is no need to mention where those laws came from or anything about the religious aspect of it. And it isn't a lie. Moses gave the laws to his people. Heck, they aren't even in English.
    Except that he didn't. These laws did not come from Moses. The was only a prophet—a messenger. If you don't mention who gave these laws to Moses, then you are leaving out a vital part of the story. Not lying, perhaps (except by omission), but not telling the full truth either.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Except that he didn't. These laws did not come from Moses. The was only a prophet—a messenger. If you don't mention who gave these laws to Moses, then you are leaving out a vital part of the story. Not lying, perhaps (except by omission), but not telling the full truth either.
    Prove it. Prove that Moses got the laws that he gave to his people from God. The only thing we have to go on is his word for that.

    Parents who wish to provide more information to their children on Moses and the 10 Commandments may do so, it is not a public school teacher's place to do it though.

    But, even if they were given to Moses by God, Moses still gave them to his people. I'm sure some of those others on that mural believe God gave them their laws as well for their people.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Except that he didn't. These laws did not come from Moses. The was only a prophet—a messenger. If you don't mention who gave these laws to Moses, then you are leaving out a vital part of the story. Not lying, perhaps (except by omission), but not telling the full truth either.
    Yes he did. Yes they did. No he wasn't. No one gave the laws to Moses.

    So that's what the schools should teach?
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Why do militant atheists have to throw a fit over hanging the 10 Commandments? People are to hypersensitive, and it's a public place and should be allowed to hang.
    You do realize we have separation of church and state for a reason, no?

    My rule is that if it is a public place, it should remain secular.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Except that he didn't. These laws did not come from Moses. The was only a prophet—a messenger. If you don't mention who gave these laws to Moses, then you are leaving out a vital part of the story. Not lying, perhaps (except by omission), but not telling the full truth either.
    roguenuke wrote in response; "Prove it. Prove that Moses got the laws that he gave to his people from God. The only thing we have to go on is his word for that. "

    First one should really be able to prove that there really was some guy named Moses who supposedly supplied some laws to his people. Then there is the small problem with a serious lack of evidence that any large group was wandering around in the Sinai for the 40 years that were supposed to have lapsed between that day said group crossed the Red Sea or was it the Reed Sea?

    Never mind that according to the holy text, there were more than ten commandments the first time the guy came down from the mountain but he got pissed off when he saw his people having fun with some golden calf and broke the tablets, so he had to go back and get another set.


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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Prove it. Prove that Moses got the laws that he gave to his people from God. The only thing we have to go on is his word for that....
    No, we have a 3,000 year old book that claims that God gave the Ten Commandments to Moses.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    No, we have a 3,000 year old book that claims that God gave the Ten Commandments to Moses.
    I have plenty of books that say all sorts of things. That doesn't mean they are telling the truth. Doesn't matter how old they are.

    You cannot use the Bible as proof that the Bible is telling the truth.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I have plenty of books that say all sorts of things. That doesn't mean they are telling the truth. Doesn't matter how old they are.

    You cannot use the Bible as proof that the Bible is telling the truth.
    indeed, one cannot.

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