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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Maybe because they are the law, or, at least, they cover some of the biggies? In any case, on those occasions when the Supreme Court rules against the public posting of the Ten Commandments, Moses will be staring (crying?) down upon the Court from his post on the courtroom wall (along with Muhammad and sixteen other lawgivers), holding his tablets:
    They are not US law. Particularly those that the judge in this case has asked the school to cut from being posted. They may be religious law but that has no place in school, particularly when it is being promoted by the school.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They are not US law. Particularly those that the judge in this case has asked the school to cut from being posted. They may be religious law but that has no place in school, particularly when it is being promoted by the school.
    But they can be posted--in marble-- on the wall of the Supreme Court, even if it is in Hebrew? You don't see an irony here?
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    But they can be posted--in marble-- on the wall of the Supreme Court, even if it is in Hebrew? You don't see an irony here?
    The Supreme Court is not a school. They have ruled that the 10 Commandments in school is out of place.

    Plus, they are part of an actual group of many different sets of laws. They actually fit into a theme, and are not just there as the only laws being represented.

    This school, otoh, had them posted alone for a while. The only reason they are now with other historical documents (which puts them in the wrong grouping anyway) is because it was legally advised that the school do so.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Doesn't matter. The principle is the same: The government's job is not religious indoctrination, education, or proselyting. Do you want them teaching your kids Islam or Wicca, as long as they only do it a little bit?
    No, and I don't want them teaching Marxism, or liberalism either, but I can't stop that religion from taking place at my tax payer dollar either can I?


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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Doesn't matter. The principle is the same: The government's job is not religious indoctrination, education, or proselyting. Do you want them teaching your kids Islam or Wicca, as long as they only do it a little bit?
    Yes it does matter. Once again there is no indoctrination, education or prostelyting going on. They are not establishing a religion they are just displaying an artifact of a certain type of religion. I wouldn't mind at all if they put some list of wise sayings of Buddah on the wall. Some individual items or teachings of a religion can be good and worthwhile to learn about in themselves.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The Narrows HS school board voted 3-2 to put up the ten commandments. Then after protests they took it down and after more protests they put it back up and they did this over 5x. That qualifies as "plastered all over the walls". Then they tried to hide it among other historical documents near the schools entrance and thats when they finally got sued by an anonymous student(s).

    Hanging the Ten Commandments on public school property is the first step toward teaching creationism in the classroom. Give em an inch and they'll take a mile. There's plenty of precedence for cases such as this.
    We shouldn't live our lives based on your paranoia. The key word in "plastered all over the walls" is the word "all". Meaning everywhere we walk in the school we see a copy of the ten commandments on the wall. That would be indoctrination but what the actual facts are is not.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    But they can be posted--in marble-- on the wall of the Supreme Court, even if it is in Hebrew? You don't see an irony here?
    from the website of the SCOTUS, the PDF page describing the friezes on the walls of the Courtroom
    Partially visible from behind Moses’ beard are Commandments six through ten.
    You know - five of the six commandments that have no mention of a deity, sort of like what the judge in Virginia has suggested.

    Also when you bring up Moses presence in the Courtroom, you really should mention that he is just one of many figures and is not prominent in the sculpture.

    Faithful to classical sources and drawing from many civilizations, (sculptor Adolph A.) Weinman designed a procession of “great lawgivers of history” for the south and north walls to portray the development of law.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    We shouldn't live our lives based on your paranoia. The key word in "plastered all over the walls" is the word "all". Meaning everywhere we walk in the school we see a copy of the ten commandments on the wall. That would be indoctrination but what the actual facts are is not.
    But why are you insisting a blatantly religious artifact be placed in a public school where not all of the students and teachers follow the religion which produce the article? What is the purpose?
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    We shouldn't live our lives based on your paranoia. The key word in "plastered all over the walls" is the word "all". Meaning everywhere we walk in the school we see a copy of the ten commandments on the wall. That would be indoctrination but what the actual facts are is not.
    Parsing words is a losing argument. The fact that school board had to vote on whether to put up the ten commandments suggests they knew that it was not only controversial but unconstitutional as well. Now they are being sued and will likely lose a lot of money that could have been better used.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    from the website of the SCOTUS, the PDF page describing the friezes on the walls of the Courtroom

    Partially visible from behind Moses’ beard are Commandments six through ten.


    You know - five of the six commandments that have no mention of a deity, sort of like what the judge in Virginia has suggested.

    Also when you bring up Moses presence in the Courtroom, you really should mention that he is just one of many figures and is not prominent in the sculpture.
    LOL brilliant find. I'll have to remember that one. Also, the fact it's in hebrew shows the historical signifigance of the document behind the Moses frieze as opposed to it's religious dogma.

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