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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    4th graders all over California are making Missions out of Styrofoam and many don't know anything about Catholicism.

    You don't need to know anything about religious philosophy to study the history of California. The missionaries were teaching their beliefs to the natives. That's all you need to know.
    This seems to perfectly illustrate my point.

    What is the point of making models of missions, and learning about their existence, in the absence of an understanding of their purpose? What you describe is a half-assed attempt at teaching, deciding that essential and relevant parts of the whole lesson aren't anything that the students need to know. The beliefs on which Friar Serra was acting are directly relevant to his accomplishments, and an understating of them is necessary in order to understand the significance that he had in our history. Any students who are being taught about Friar Serra, but not about his beliefs, are not being properly educated about him and relevance to the history of the area.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    This seems to perfectly illustrate my point.

    What is the point of making models of missions, and learning about their existence, in the absence of an understanding of their purpose? What you describe is a half-assed attempt at teaching, deciding that essential and relevant parts of the whole lesson aren't anything that the students need to know. The beliefs on which Friar Serra was acting are directly relevant to his accomplishments, and an understating of them is necessary in order to understand the significance that he had in our history. Any students who are being taught about Friar Serra, but not about his beliefs, are not being properly educated about him and relevance to the history of the area.
    Thats ridiculous. You don't need to learn theology in order to learn history.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    This seems to perfectly illustrate my point.

    What is the point of making models of missions, and learning about their existence, in the absence of an understanding of their purpose? What you describe is a half-assed attempt at teaching, deciding that essential and relevant parts of the whole lesson aren't anything that the students need to know. The beliefs on which Friar Serra was acting are directly relevant to his accomplishments, and an understating of them is necessary in order to understand the significance that he had in our history. Any students who are being taught about Friar Serra, but not about his beliefs, are not being properly educated about him and relevance to the history of the area.
    Do you have to learn historical European paganism to learn about Europe? How many of the religious rites of Vikings did you have to learn to understand the sacking of English monasteries?
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Yeah - learn a little theology and then compare those teachings with what the various believers of any specific faith actually did and you would probably turn the kids away due to their understanding of the hypocrisy.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Then why does it need to post religious law? What's it's purpose if not to teach and proselytize religious teachings? What's the secular value of the ten commandments being posted in a hallway?

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    History
    Then they should go to the source and post the code of Hammurabi, since it pre-dates the 10 commandments and also contains all of them, and has considerably more historical significance, being the first example of written law.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Then they should go to the source and post the code of Hammurabi, since it pre-dates the 10 commandments and also contains all of them, and has considerably more historical significance, being the first example of written law.
    not quite, I agree with the sentiment as to the history aspect but there is at least one known law text that pre-dates Hammurabi

    The Code of Ur-Nammu is the oldest known tablet containing a law code surviving today. It was written in the Sumerian language c. 2100–2050 BC. Although the preface directly credits the laws to king Ur-Nammu of Ur (2112–2095 BC), some historians think they should rather be ascribed to his son Shulgi.

    The first copy of the code, in two fragments found at Nippur, was translated by Samuel Kramer in 1952; owing to its partial preservation, only the prologue and 5 of the laws were discernible[1]. Further tablets were found in Ur and translated in 1965, allowing some 40 of the 57 laws to be reconstructed.[2] Another copy found in Sippar contains slight variants.

    Although it is known that earlier law-codes existed, such as the Code of Urukagina, this represents the earliest legal text that is extant. It predated the Code of Hammurabi by some three centuries.

    (1) Kramer, History begins at Sumer, pp. 52–55.

    (2) Gurney and Kramer, "Two Fragments of Sumerian Laws," 16 Assyriological Studies, pp. 13–19
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Then they should go to the source and post the code of Hammurabi, since it pre-dates the 10 commandments and also contains all of them, and has considerably more historical significance, being the first example of written law.
    That's fine, but are you saying to the exclusion of?


    Why?


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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's fine, but are you saying to the exclusion of?

    Why?

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    Because our laws are not based on the 10 Commandments. It would be like posting the rules of Sharia law for women "in the name of history" for the entire school year.

    Even the Golden Rule would be more relevant than the 10 Commandments. At least it doesn't project the idea that the 10 Commandments are more important in history, and therefore should be more important to everyone, no matter their beliefs, than other religious and cultural rules and laws.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Because our laws are not based on the 10 Commandments. It would be like posting the rules of Sharia law for women "in the name of history" for the entire school year.

    Even the Golden Rule would be more relevant than the 10 Commandments. At least it doesn't project the idea that the 10 Commandments are more important in history, and therefore should be more important to everyone, no matter their beliefs, than other religious and cultural rules and laws.

    We have classes now, usually in middle school that study the religions of the world. But yet somehow liberals in this country are so frightened, intimidated even by the 10 commandments that any excuse to diminish them, mock them, keep them from sight, is their goal.

    Stopping the high school valedictorian from saying a prayer at invocation.

    A judge that threatens another if they even say an opening prayer, or so much as mention God in the Pledge.

    This is a predominantly Christian nation, that contrary to Obama's declaration that we are not, is no threat to liberals, or any other religions. Yet as scared as some seem to be, conservatives know better but allow themselves to be cowed under by these liberal bullies.

    j-mac

    PS. Although I will not be the one to say the the commandments are the sole source of American law, that would be foolish, some elements play at least a supporting role. Is that not perfectly fine for a country where upwards of 80% of the country liberal, and conservative claims Christianity in one form or another as their belief?
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