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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    wow your commandments fully condemned left wing students
    You mean because right-wing students don't lust after cheerleaders, try to leave school early, or talk too loud in the hall?

    And no right-winger has ever smoked pot or bullied a another student. (oops, Romney)
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    In the US? could you provide a link for this statement?
    Let me Google that for you.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Why didn't you include that link in your original post?

    You act irritated that people ask you to back up what you said.

    Welcome to DP.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Why didn't you include that link in your original post?

    You act irritated that people ask you to back up what you said.

    Welcome to DP.
    I had just seen a mod do that on another thread

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    It occurs to me now, to remember that when I was in elementary school, in Santa Barbara, we were taught about the history of the area. In particular, I learned a fair amount about Friar Junípero Serra, and about the important role that he played in settling much of that part of California. He was responsible for the series of Catholic Mission buildings that were built across that part of the area in the 18th century. He was, of course, a religious man, and much of what he did had to do with spreading the Catholic faith. One cannot adequately learn about this part of California's history, without a detailed coverage of the religious aspects thereof.

    I suppose that in the modern climate, with religion being treated as such a taboo subject in public schools, that many of today's schoolchildren from my home area are not being appropriately taught about the history of that area.
    There are distinct differences between teaching historical fact and religion.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I had just seen a mod do that on another thread
    It is a really cool site
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    It occurs to me now, to remember that when I was in elementary school, in Santa Barbara, we were taught about the history of the area. In particular, I learned a fair amount about Friar Junípero Serra, and about the important role that he played in settling much of that part of California. He was responsible for the series of Catholic Mission buildings that were built across that part of the area in the 18th century. He was, of course, a religious man, and much of what he did had to do with spreading the Catholic faith. One cannot adequately learn about this part of California's history, without a detailed coverage of the religious aspects thereof.
    4th graders all over California are making Missions out of Styrofoam and many don't know anything about Catholicism.

    You don't need to know anything about religious philosophy to study the history of California. The missionaries were teaching their beliefs to the natives. That's all you need to know.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    jerry-
    just thought NOT trying to twist the debate to atheism is religion was more productive than mucking up the flow with rhetorical tap dancing.

    Do think attempting to combine the 10 Commandments with Protestant Work Ethic as an amalgamate of our heritage and a stand alone like George Crossing the Delaware is flawed. If the old Testament/10 Commandants/Moses's wanderings is part of the Philosophy class AND other topics of discussion were posted as well.... maybe.

    Now the slap that is given all the Glory unto the PWE. Hard workers are not Protestant only, contrary to the myth of Protestants founding the work ethic. Odd thing is the PWE was 'practiced' by Catholic immigrants such as the Irish, Poles, and Eye-talians. It doesn't take a lot of research to find the tenants of Capitalism and the work as vocation in Europe before The Reform. Many historians argue that no matter the religion of any part of Europe it was the secular social structure that helped or hindered capitalism.

    Calvinism is given the lead in creating Gawd and work equals good. However factual evidence it did is lacking. I've been to Scotland and seen the buildings designed by the Calvinists and all I can say is we have found the set for '1984'.

    Now lets look at the PWE in the USofA-
    First the original and somewhat enshrined group of Puritans that landed were city folk. They didn't understand farming in general and in America for sure. Their native neighbors spent little time at what Europeans considered work but never suffered famine like the always toiling Puritans. It is the Protestant Work Ethic turned on it's head. In those early, not oft discussed years Gawd's Grace seemed to not fall on the Puritans but on the natives.... well until after that first somewhat propagandized 'Thanks Giving Feast', 90% of the natives who attended that one were not alive for a second one.

    Thus began Gawd's Grace on Thee... soon the Puritans were spreading out into abandoned farms of the now decimated natives and adopting their cropping systems. it was OK, Gawd smote the heathen Natives and now Blessed his new Chosen people. Well, except life was still hard, work back breaking and the 'bounty' pretty thin. The comparison between an indentured servant in the southern and middle colonies and one of Gawd's Chosen folks was easy enough to make. Throw in a Witch Hunt or two due to having to survive on spoiled grain during yet another famine and it is difficult to see just how the work ethic was working out so better.

    But things did start in improve, some did start to gain wealth and status. In an effort to explain why all Puritans were working hard but only some were succeeding in stepped the theory of Gawd's Grace on the truly worthy. It was a theory in England but in the colonies it became a sign of salvation itself. Salvation through wealth! Wadda country.

    One other reason advanced for why the term for hard work leading to success is not so Blessed-
    19th century 'invasion' of Irish Catholics into American cities. Not only were these new people not from the same family tree, they were from one seen as inferior both culturally and intellectually, but of a hated religion. Remember Europe fought for ten decades for the Gawds they made. Those battles came over here,(but we don't talk about that). So soon the new people were lazy, drunken bums who's papalist beliefs corrupted the shining light on the hill of John Winthrop.

    Now you can hold to what your atheist teacher said, FYI learning from someone not subscribing to the theory doesn't make it true, anyone can have a flawed lesson plan, can tell the myth as taught unto him.

    I chose a rather broader bunch of sources. But like believing the Constitution says nothing about private business discrimination, or the income tax amendment wasn't properly ratified-

    to each there own

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    jerry-
    just thought NOT trying to twist the debate to atheism is religion was more productive than mucking up the flow with rhetorical tap dancing.
    If there was a time to be reasonable, it was before anyone filed or fought a lawsuit over a stupid goddamn poster. The time for reason is long past.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Do think attempting to combine the 10 Commandments with Protestant Work Ethic as an amalgamate of our heritage and a stand alone like George Crossing the Delaware is flawed.
    Who did that?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    If the old Testament/10 Commandants/Moses's wanderings is part of the Philosophy class AND other topics of discussion were posted as well.... maybe.
    We don't know that the poster was part of any class at all.

    Now the slap that is given all the Glory unto the PWE.
    What Glory? What's a PWE?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Hard workers are not Protestant only..





    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Odd thing is the PWE was 'practiced' by Catholic immigrants such as the Irish, Poles, and Eye-talians. It doesn't take a lot of research to find the tenants of Capitalism and the work as vocation in Europe before The Reform. Many historians argue that no matter the religion of any part of Europe it was the secular social structure that helped or hindered capitalism.
    Wiki'd that yourself, aye? Good job.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Calvinism is given the lead in creating Gawd and work equals good. However factual evidence it did is lacking. I've been to Scotland and seen the buildings designed by the Calvinists and all I can say is we have found the set for '1984'.
    ........................

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Now lets look at the PWE in the USofA-
    Go for it...let me know when you're don so we can get back to our discussion.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If that is the case, then I have just as much right, if I were a teacher, to make my students bow down to Allah, or worship Buddha, talk like a pirate to the flying spaghetti monster, or get on their knees to Cthulhu. After all, we are talking about freedom of religion here. I think that, with separation of church and state, our forefathers also had another idea in mind.... Freedom FROM religion.
    Well sense in this case nobody is being made to bow, worship, talk in some strange tongue or get on their knees you have no point.
    It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.

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