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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    If this 'Breaking News' I'm assuming there's Jewish guy with a staff and a burning bush.
    But we don't have mountains in Florida
    Exodus 32:15
    Moses turned and went down the mountain with the two tablets of the Testimony in his hands. They were inscribed on both sides, front and back.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    jerry, you argue well with some thoughtfulness displayed but you also display your ignorance about the origins of the problem being discussed here.

    The poster was taken down when a student asked that it be removed. THEN, a local church group blew this up into another example of "Christian persecution" with screaming matches at the school board meeting. The poster was reinstalled in the high school. A lawsuit was then filed despite pleas by the ACLU to "Please, just take it down. The district doesn't have any extra money to fight this and other schools that have tried the same thing have lost every time." ON a vote of 3 to 2, the decision was made to fight the lawsuit, the two voting against did so on economic grounds.
    And I've twice given my objection to the school doing this.
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    Now we are at the stage which created the title: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?
    Has God chimed in yet with His decision whether or not to cut them down from 10 to 6?


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    And this is an on-going debate in the political spectrum of modern America?
    Yes, passionately.


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    Why should institutions that don't pay taxes also be able to receive funding from those taxes collected, sometimes from citizens who don't agree with the faith of the recipient?
    No school pays taxes, that would be redcurrant. Neither does the military, police or fire departments pay taxs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    How much of that federal funding to "faith-based" institutions would fall under the definition of "pork" and "earmarks" if they went to a secular group doing the same thing?
    Real numbers can be made available in a thread about federally funding faith-based schools. My purpose with bringing these up was to give perspective on how petty it is for either side to fight over a $5 poster. No one should have put the poster up, objected to it, filed a lawsuit or fought al lawsuit. All parties involved are to be ashamed of themselves, especially in light of the illiteracy rate among American highschool graduates.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    jerry wrote:
    No school pays taxes, that would be redcurrant (??redundant??). Neither does the military, police or fire departments pay taxs.
    Are you comparing government agencies to churches? Does not compute.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I hope you realise just how nonsensical this statement is: "atheism is a religion for you to then assume the premise in your post that an atheist poster is equal to a religious poster?"

    "atheism is a religion for you" - makes an assumption about another who is known only thru this forum, while simultaneously using a definition for one specific stance about the universe that is only acceptable to those who hold other views.

    "an atheist poster is equal to a religious poster" - this contradicts the earlier claim that "atheism is a religion", for it plainly states that one object is equal to another object thereby saying they are not the same.

    "All we want is equal representation." Oh you poor, poor persecuted xians (and other faithists), the world is just so mean to you. How ever did you become the majority of the population with over 90% representation in elected offices when you don't have "equal representation"? Hellfire, man! You are right - you don't have "equal representation" - you have dominant and domineering representation.
    I like how you took out the first 2 words of that sentence and then ignored the question mark. It's weak trolling but I appreciate the effort. I was asking if he thought atheism was a religion, I was not stating that atheism was a religion. Have a goon one

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    jerry wrote:
    Are you comparing government agencies to churches? Does not compute.
    Not at all.

    We were talking about public schools and private religious schools. The claim was made that a religious display shouldn't be allowed in a public school since that public school received federal tax funding. I made the point that private religious schools also receive that same federal tax funding and yet they are permitted to saturate themselves with religiosity.

    Mine was the act of controlling for the tax-funding variable. The existence of tax funding does not create a mandate for a religion-free environment, as evidence by tax funded religious schools. This is because religious schools are not churches, they are still school which have to comply with a host of regulation from the Department of Education.

    No one is talking about churches.

    The presence of a religious poster does not violate the 1st amendment. However, neither does removing said poster violate the 1st amendment. People are free to display or not display to their heart's content. It's a broad right with a wide range of acceptable behaviors.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    private religious schools also receive that same federal tax funding (as public schools)
    In the US? could you provide a link for this statement?
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes you did. In my post 207 I asked you, and you answered my question with a question, which is only something one does when the answer is in the affirmative and the asked wants to avoid admitting it. Maybe next time you try answering questions directly.
    No, you ignored my question in post #206 by accusing me of being atheist. I never said a word about or gave an opinion about atheism. So why don't you answer my question first and we'll go from there....

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    So what was the intent of posting the religious poster in a public funded school if not trolling non-christians?
    Imo, a Christian hung the religious poster to troll non-Christians. I think you think that too or you wouldn't be bouncing all over the place trying to dodge my question.

    It hasn't been established that the poster in question was owned by any church. For all we know, it was perchesed privately from an online vendor who likely sells a wide variety of posters from all genre, and hung by someone who was never a member of clergy, maybe by someone who doesn't even work at the school. It could have been a random parent who got a verbal ok from a lower administrator or the teacher of the classroom it was nearest to. It could have been a night janitor who thought it was just something nice to display, no harm/recruitment/intimidation/harassment/proselytizing intended. You don't know, but you're making a host of assumptions and reading novels of sub-text which isn't actually there.
    I think it's a reasonable assumption to say that whoever hung up the religious poster was a Christian. Do you agree?

    In context to the discussions thus far on this thread, "religion" refers to the private beliefs of individuals in the community, thus "cultural vestiges". We were not referring to religion as the organised variety by default. If that's what you mean, then that's what you have to go out of your way to specify: "organised"; and link to how you know exactly, by name, which specific church/temple was being represented by this poster as not all churches are 501c3 and it's possible that the church already does pay taxes.

    Also, if religion is now being equated with philosophy, then if you're referring to *organised* religion, you are also therefore referring to organised atheism, so be prepared for that **** storm.
    Yes, I'm referring to organized religion and no, atheism is not considered a religion. So, it's probably not that difficult to deduce which particular religion put up the poster when you consider the schools location and the predominate Protestant Evangelical religion in the area and no, they don't pay taxes on the donations they recieve. But they probably should if they want to have "equal representation" to promote their beliefs in public schools, don't you think? So why not give them a choice, to either pay up or shut up?

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I have the government sending millions of federal dollars to private religious schools [ . . . ] This is in addition to all the federal funding which goes into the faith-based foster care my parent's are licensed through.
    I know. That crap needs to stop, too.
    "All that stuff I was taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell [the bible] teaches us how to run all our public policy and everything in society." Rep. Paul Broun (R)

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This is about a public high school in Virginia that has posted the Ten Commandments in a hallway of the school. There were protests and the poster with the Commandments was removed, more protests followed and the poster was re-installed. Now it is in court.



    Why do the hyper-religious Christians continue to wast taxpayer dollars in fighting the lawsuits which they inevitably lose in court? For example, here in Florida, this past week - Bradford County Ten Commandments monument dedicated
    How about this:

    1) Thou shalt not run in thy hall.

    2) Thou shalt not raise thy voice indoors as thou might outdoors.

    3) Thou shalt not possess herbs in thy lockers.

    4) Thou shalt not covet thy school cheerleaders.

    5) Thou shalt not covet thy cheerleader's ass.

    6) Thou shalt not make thyself late for home room.

    7) Thou shalt not write false rumors on the walls.

    8) Thou shalt not lock the meek in his locker.

    9) Thou shalt not fornicate by hand or mouth whilst at school.

    AND

    10) Thou shalt NOT flee thy school before the last bell hath rungeth...

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    How about this:

    1) Thou shalt not run in thy hall.

    2) Thou shalt not raise thy voice indoors as thou might outdoors.

    3) Thou shalt not possess herbs in thy lockers.

    4) Thou shalt not covet thy school cheerleaders.

    5) Thou shalt not covet thy cheerleader's ass.

    6) Thou shalt not make thyself late for home room.

    7) Thou shalt not write false rumors on the walls.

    8) Thou shalt not lock the meek in his locker.

    9) Thou shalt not fornicate by hand or mouth whilst at school.

    AND

    10) Thou shalt NOT flee thy school before the last bell hath rungeth...
    wow your commandments fully condemned left wing students
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