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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    As far as I understand it was a student that hung the poster.
    No, the school board took it down and hung it back up several times. I don't know who hung it in the first place, but there were complaints, so the SB took it down. Then people complained that they took it down, so they put it back up. The school board finally decided that they needed to put up religious laws, so they mounted it in a display case. That's not the governments job, so they're being sued.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And I wonder why it is that those people that bring such stupid cases are so afraid of seeing the words on a poster hung in a hallway?
    Because they value religious liberty.

    What I wonder is why some people want the government to teach their kids about god, instead of having their church do it. Why do they think the government would be better at it?
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Because they value religious liberty.

    What I wonder is why some people want the government to teach their kids about god, instead of having their church do it. Why do they think the government would be better at it?
    This is the second time you have written this tripe. Now I like ya Grendel, but no one has said they want the government teaching religion. And that isn't what has happened here.


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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    but no one has said they want the government teaching religion. And that isn't what has happened here.
    Then why does it need to post religious law? What's it's purpose if not to teach and proselytize religious teachings? What's the secular value of the ten commandments being posted in a hallway?
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    It's like you're dreaming of Gorgonzola when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    When I can opt-out of paying for the invasion of Iraq, then maybe that'll be an option, too. Either way, though, the government has no business trying to run churches.
    A decorative laminated piece of paper hanging on a wall is not a church. Geez you people can be so stupid. It's a poster, there's nothing to "run". It just sits there. And you don't know tax money was used to buy it anyway.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    A decorative laminated piece of paper hanging on a wall is not a church. Geez you people can be so stupid. It's a poster, there's nothing to "run". It just sits there. And you don't know tax money was used to buy it anyway.
    What was the purpose of the poster? Why did they hang it on the wall of the school?
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    A decorative laminated piece of paper hanging on a wall is not a church. Geez you people can be so stupid. It's a poster, there's nothing to "run". It just sits there. And you don't know tax money was used to buy it anyway.
    Public schools = religious-neutral.
    Private schools = religious

    Why does everything have to be even remotely showing of religion - can't people who are religious go for even a short amount of time without it around? is it really that big of a deal to everyone to just not have it there?

    This encroaches on the topic of 'witnessing to the masses' - we all know what it means *to* religious people . . . it's a way for 'the message to get out' - well: some of us don't want to have to hear it.

    But I push the opposite direction: I push for a display of all sorts of religious-sayings: why not. . . some Buddhist dogma, some Catholicism, some Judaism, some Hinduism, Voodoo, Paganism . . . so on, so forth. Why not? I think a display encorporating important symbolism from all religions is the only way to be fair if you permit even one be given any sort of representation.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    What was the purpose of the poster? Why did they hang it on the wall of the school?
    It was a cultural vestige of the people, just like Spanish Catholic missionaries and greek goddesses on various state seals.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It was a cultural vestige of the people, just like Spanish Catholic missionaries and greek goddesses on various state seals.
    Sounds like an ex post facto defence to me. Every single time the supporters of these religious artifacts are allowed to speak, we hear the same thing - it's part of our "Judeo-Christian heritage". The more nuanced defence is the "cultural" one which attempts to place such blatantly religious displays into a more general societal definition but really for the overwhelming majority of the defenders of Ten Commandment displays it is the religious purpose that they support.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Public schools = religious-neutral.
    Private schools = religious

    Why does everything have to be even remotely showing of religion - can't people who are religious go for even a short amount of time without it around? is it really that big of a deal to everyone to just not have it there?

    This encroaches on the topic of 'witnessing to the masses' - we all know what it means *to* religious people . . . it's a way for 'the message to get out' - well: some of us don't want to have to hear it.

    But I push the opposite direction: I push for a display of all sorts of religious-sayings: why not. . . some Buddhist dogma, some Catholicism, some Judaism, some Hinduism, Voodoo, Paganism . . . so on, so forth. Why not? I think a display encorporating important symbolism from all religions is the only way to be fair if you permit even one be given any sort of representation.
    Private religious schools receive federal funding too. A lot of federal funding. The difference between "public" and "private" is who's in charge of running the school, not where the money comes from.

    As a public school the state is obligated by the 1st Amendment to allow religious cultural vestiges and worship on school grounds so long as they do not disrupt the classroom. Only private schools are free to ban religious practices.
    Last edited by Jerry; 05-14-12 at 12:48 AM.

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