Page 18 of 32 FirstFirst ... 8161718192028 ... LastLast
Results 171 to 180 of 315

Thread: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

  1. #171
    Sage
    Somerville's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    On an island. Not that one!
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:21 PM
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    9,801

    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    The poster cost maybe $5, they can use my tax dollars to pay for it.
    It ain't the cost of the poster - it is the cost of the legal fight over its removal.

    One recent example, having to do with a prayer banner in the Cranston RI high school has cost a school district struggling over budget problems, more than $150,000
    City of Cranston and schools to split costs
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

  2. #172
    Sage
    j-mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    South Carolina
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:39 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    30,272

    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Jesus didn't write the New Testament. Christians are expected to follow the NT as well as Jesus.

    Are you a Christian ML? I am not saying that necessarily you are incorrect, but maybe slightly skewed....The one thing that non religious people tend to make a mistake on is that they view Christians as strict adherers of what is written in the Bible. That shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what God did with man when he instilled free will.

    But the real question in this thread is not a theological one, that actually is the mud that dulls the simple question. And that question is this

    What is so hard about understand our Constitution as it pertains to this?

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
    The comma and the "or" in this phrase separates the thought here. I think if you ask most Americans today if they want and "establishment of religion" and all that entails, the answer by most Christians, and most Americans would be a stern NO. So to that point, no teaching it in class, no "Baptist public school" per se, no clergy involved in the administration of the school, or funds. BUT, when you have something as simple as a comma, followed by "or" I would think that collage educated people would know full well that that denotes a break in thought, and a new thought added separate of the first in the sentence.

    So, just as equally as you can not have Government establish a "state religion", you equally can NOT PROHIBIT the free exercise of religion. So, if a student hung this poster, and administration did not, then it is fine, and the judge should maybe go back and learn fundamental Constitution.


    j-mac
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

    Alexis de Tocqueville

  3. #173
    Sage
    Somerville's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    On an island. Not that one!
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:21 PM
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    9,801

    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Here's a timeline from the local newspaper - Bluefield Daily Telegraph

    A four-foot tall display of the Ten Commandments was first hung on school walls following the Columbine school shooting in 1999. The display was taken down in December 2010 by school officials after receiving complaints and replaced it with a copy of the Declaration of Independence. In January 2011, the Ten Commandments display was replaced after more complaints from parents and pastors. The display was removed again in February 2011 by school officials with no reason stated.

    In March 2011, 50 Giles County High School students walked out of classrooms in protest of the display being removed, but all but 15 returned to class after talking with a school resource officer.

    The county’s school board voted 3-2 in June to approve displaying a set of documents including the Ten Commandments, Bill of Rights, Mayflower Compact, the Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom and others. The two dissenting members of the school board cited the cost of legal battles as their main reason for their vote.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

  4. #174
    Whoa, daddy!
    MadLib's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Upstate New York
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    6,225

    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's the bible, not The Book of the Law of God, so there was n ever any requirement it to have been written by any deity.
    My point was that using a quotation from the NT is perfectly reasonable to do if you are trying to make a point about Christianity.
    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Hah. If someone put me in their sig, I'd never know. I have sigs off.

  5. #175
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Canada, Costa Rica
    Last Seen
    05-16-16 @ 09:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,645

    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    And what was Christianity inspired by? Always, from a purely historical standpoint, religion is manmade. Always. Greek philosophers thought of the ideas of justice and fairness long before Jesus was a thought in anyone's head.
    This idea of "justice and fairness" did not extend to the lower classes.

  6. #176
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Canada, Costa Rica
    Last Seen
    05-16-16 @ 09:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,645

    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    I see some of the people opposed to the presence of the Ten Commandments here are the same ones fighting for women to be able to walk around topless in another thread. Why don't you take your own advice? If you don't like them then don't look at them.
    A good point but the Left, as always, want to control ideas. That is why, in any leftist country, they always attack and attempt to eliminate religion, particularly Christianity. They prefer people believe in Big Government.

    This is certainly not a new observation, but it continues to be true.

  7. #177
    Guru

    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Last Seen
    11-24-13 @ 11:44 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    3,001

    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The problem with Christians is that if you give them an inch they take a mile. First it's just an innocent little poster, then they start preaching in the hallways and calling the children sinners, then they start demanding schools teach creationism, then they rewrite the history books, then the next thing you know our tax dollars are supporting a religion. No, I think it's better to nip them in the bud so to speak and not allow them to get a foothold in the door in the first place.
    The same can be said of non-Chrisitians.

    Some say it's okay to have people of other religions in America because they make up less than 5 percent of the population.

    We let more non-Europeans in this country and the next thing you know the non-Christian population in America is over 10 percent. Where will it end?

    Remember that America is a Christian nation.

  8. #178
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Canada, Costa Rica
    Last Seen
    05-16-16 @ 09:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,645

    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Because according to you this country was founded on Christianity and had a great influence in writing the Constitution and yet there is no mention of it whatsoever. Don't you think thats odd?
    No, I don't. What would be the purpose?

    My point was and still is that this country was not founded on Christianity. The fact that there is no mention of it in the constution except to provide a wall of separation more than validates this fact, but if you want more proof........
    It was founded on Christian ideals. It's a pity that children are being raised without any understanding of their heritage. This "why isn't God mentioned in the Constitution" argument is frequently mentioned by Leftists as a sort of 'gotcha', but in fact it means nothing.

    The confusion just over that one line in the Constitution strongly suggests that there is a lack of education and understanding about what made America so outstanding in world history, and why it became the symbol of freedom throughout the world. Now that freedom they once enjoyed is disappearing and that is largely the result of the American education system not teaching their students about their own history, or why it was tyhat made America special.

    Signed into law by co-author of the Declaration of Indepence and founding father, President John Adams.
    This was a sop to the Muslims of the day, just as is often done now. It's not wise to take these lines with tyrannical Muslims too seriously, though many of those who want to minimize the influence of Christianity on western democracies certainly do.

  9. #179
    Guru

    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Last Seen
    11-24-13 @ 11:44 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    3,001

    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    It was founded on Christian ideals. It's a pity that children are being raised without any understanding of their heritage.
    Exactly. Because of our nation's Christian history and heritage, non-Christian school children should be required to learn Christianity.
    Last edited by johnny_rebson; 05-13-12 at 01:16 PM. Reason: typo

  10. #180
    Cheese
    Aunt Spiker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Sasnakra
    Last Seen
    09-10-16 @ 06:10 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,433

    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Exactly. Because of our nation's Christian history and heritage, non-Christian school children should be required to learn Christianity.
    How about we just stick to our nation's history - actually get the facts staright - and leave it at that?

    They only need to know the general ideas and beliefs of those who founded the nation - not necessarily to be indoctrinated into the faith. We weren't just founded on the beliefs of Methodism or Weslyanism . . . One thing you should have learned about the founding father's is that they all believed others had the right to follow their *own* path to their own faith. They believed not everyone had to share the same views. So I think they'd be offended by your statement.

    I do not have to raise my children in a Christian environment or teach them ad nauseum about Christianity in order for them to know the past from a neutrally religious view. They will, however, learn about our nation's true and solid history - not one denomination's version of our history.
    A screaming comes across the sky.
    It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.
    Pynchon - Gravity's Rainbow

Page 18 of 32 FirstFirst ... 8161718192028 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •