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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    We have really wandered away from the topic, interesting though the diversion has been.

    Should American public schools be allowed to display posters, banners, signs, monuments, etc that are directly related to a specific religious belief?
    individuals have the right so long as it is not part of the education as per the first amendment.

    if the school or government itself does it or a teacher tries to implement it,that would be a violation of the first amendment.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    But not in the eyes of society until the 20th Century.
    That's clearly untrue, as pointed out in the examples which were listed.earlier on this thread.

    and then there was that whole ordinance about how servants were to behave - don't sound like equality to me
    Colossians 3:22
    That is not a quote of Jesus.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    individuals have the right so long as it is not part of the education as per the first amendment.

    if the school or government itself does it or a teacher tries to implement it,that would be a violation of the first amendment.
    That is also untrue. You appear unfamiliar with the First Amendment.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That is also untrue. You appear unfamiliar with the First Amendment.
    i am referring to the first amendment as written,not as interperated.
    please show me where im wrong,as it is stated the government shall make no law supporting the establishment of religion.

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    it doesnt apply to government since it would require law,and buildings and government organizations dont qualify under protection of the first amendment,it only applies to groupsor individuals as per protection,but not a government organization or a corporation.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    i am referring to the first amendment as written,not as interperated.
    please show me where im wrong,as it is stated the government shall make no law supporting the establishment of religion.

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    it doesnt apply to government since it would require law,and buildings and government organizations dont qualify under protection of the first amendment,it only applies to groupsor individuals as per protection,but not a government organization or a corporation.
    Having a copy of the 10 Commandments in a school hallway is not establishing a religion. Christianity was established long before America was even discovered.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Having a copy of the 10 Commandments in a school hallway is not establishing a religion. Christianity was established long before America was even discovered.
    i never said it was,but as it is a government building,not a person or group or even a building belonging to a religious geoup,it holds no protection,only the individuals working there would hold protection.

    in a government organization only the individuals hold protection,as the government can have no involvment in religion.read the first amendment,read no.10 of the federalist papers.you will see what is intended.by logic a building under the government cannot an shouldnt post religious material,as i said,seperation of church and state does not mean seperation from religion,but rather that government itself can hold no part in religion.peoplewho work for government can affilliate with religion not use government as a medium for their religion.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    i never said it was,but as it is a government building,not a person or group or even a building belonging to a religious geoup,it holds no protection,only the individuals working there would hold protection.

    in a government organization only the individuals hold protection,as the government can have no involvment in religion.read the first amendment,read no.10 of the federalist papers.you will see what is intended.by logic a building under the government cannot an shouldnt post religious material,as i said,seperation of church and state does not mean seperation from religion,but rather that government itself can hold no part in religion.peoplewho work for government can affilliate with religion not use government as a medium for their religion.
    Separation of Church and State is not part of the Constitution. Again, it is all about the establishment of a religion and no arm of government is doing that.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But why stop there? Do you know what inspired all of this?

    The most revolutionary idea in the history of mankind was the idea that the poor, like the rich, had a soul and were recognized as equals in the eyes of God. This is central to the teachings of Jesus, Christianity and all that comes after it in the Christian world. These teachings are still reverberating in the world today. Of course those historical references you referred to are all from the Christian world. The non Christian world is, and was, quite different.

    But as this is not being taught in most schools today many students, and adults, will remain ignorant of their heritage and thus the world around them. They think it all happened naturally, that values just rise up from nowhere in particular, and the traditions they inherited will somehow continue uninterrupted into the future.
    How odd then that Christianity or God is not mentioned in the Constitution anywhere. In fact the only time religion is mentioned is to instruct government from establishing a religion. Now what do you suppose the forefathers intended with that short little clause? Surely you don't believe it was to establish Christianity as a state religion with all the bells, symbols and whistles, do you?

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    How odd then that Christianity or God is not mentioned in the Constitution anywhere. In fact the only time religion is mentioned is to instruct government from establishing a religion. Now what do you suppose the forefathers intended with that short little clause? Surely you don't believe it was to establish Christianity as a state religion with all the bells, symbols and whistles, do you?
    well it intends that government shall make no law reguarding religion,or prohibiting the practive of.

    people like him see the amendment but ignore the federalist papers,which is basically the constitution for dummies papers.the forst amendment say no one shall be prohibited from,but no laws shall be made,since the government runs off laws,and the 14th amendment,it prohibits govt from making rules involving religion.

    however no one religious san be prohibited from showing thier faith as it prhibits religious practice,just the same as no one can be prohibited from being in school with a athiest t-shirt .

    peopletend to confuse allowing religion and promoting it.government is prohibited from such,individuals are not.promoting religion is not forced indoctrination,though examples of real indoctrintaion can be made for both religions and athiests.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Having a copy of the 10 Commandments in a school hallway is not establishing a religion. Christianity was established long before America was even discovered.
    The problem with Christians is that if you give them an inch they take a mile. First it's just an innocent little poster, then they start preaching in the hallways and calling the children sinners, then they start demanding schools teach creationism, then they rewrite the history books, then the next thing you know our tax dollars are supporting a religion. No, I think it's better to nip them in the bud so to speak and not allow them to get a foothold in the door in the first place.

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