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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    The Reverend James Renwick Willson of the Reformed Presbyterian Church had a few words to say back in 1832 concerning George Washington and some of the other men we now call Founding Fathers

    There is no satisfactory evidence that Washington was a professor of the Christian religion, or even a speculative believer in its divinity, before he retired from public life.[6] In no state paper, in no private letter, in no conversation, is he known to have declared himself a believer in the Holy Scriptures, as the word of God.
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    He was President of the convention, that voted the name of the living God out of the Constitution. His influence was great among the members of that body. Had he taken part with Dr. Franklin, in the attempt to have an acknowledgment of God inserted in the Constitution, they could hardly have failed of success. The conviction forces itself upon us, that that act of national impiety, was done with the approbation of Washington. It is to his everlasting dishonor, that he is not known to have opposed that insult offered to the Lord God, who had made him so great and successful a captain.
    The Reverend Willson also had a few words to say about the men who voted for the Constitution, and also about Thomas Jefferson's suitability for the Presidency
    Besides, there is some reason to believe, that the people were not so bad as a few practical atheists, into whose hands the management of the national affairs fell, immediately after the revolution. These men voted God out of the Constitution, and discarded all moral qualifications for office. But the people, pending the election of Mr. Jefferson to the office of President, adopted a test. The opponents of that gentleman, insisted that he was an infidel, and therefore not to be honored with the highest office in the gift of the people. His friends admitted the doctrine that a deist ought not to be President; but denied the charge against Mr. Jefferson. His Notes on Virginia, are essentially deistical. But comparatively few had read them. The people, many thousands of Christians, did not believe the charge, and thinking it a slander of his political enemies, they voted for him. Had the people known his malevolent opposition to the Bible, truth, church and worship, of God as it is now known, the writer believes that he never would have been President of the United States. That very contest rendered Deism forever unpopular in this nation.
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    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Where do you suppose that enlightenment came from?

    This is the sort of thing that happens when children are not taught their heritage in schools.

    I do not think you understand the meaning of "Enlightenment" in this context
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The Reverend James Renwick Willson of the Reformed Presbyterian Church had a few words to say back in 1832 concerning George Washington and some of the other men we now call Founding Fathers



    The Reverend Willson also had a few words to say about the men who voted for the Constitution, and also about Thomas Jefferson's suitability for the Presidency
    my emphasis
    thomas jefferson was in france and didnt vote on the constitution,he was busy being an ambassador.thomas jefferson also said many times not to use him as a reference for anything constitution as he wasnt there for its creation and other than a few inspirational words had nothing to do with the bill of rights.

    infact james madison was the main author and inspiration for the bill of rights,off we ignore the man who wrote them and ask the man who had nothing to do with it for its meaning.
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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    I liked it better when religion was a more personal thing. Between someone and their Gawd, not something worn like a flag lapel pin.

    I could do without all 10 and just go by the Golden Rule.

    As far as 'needing' the commandments... we have laws that say the same thing with penalties. like grown ups...

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I do not think you understand the meaning of "Enlightenment" in this context
    I certainly understand the meaning of "enlightenment".

    Which meaning did you intend?

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I liked it better when religion was a more personal thing. Between someone and their Gawd, not something worn like a flag lapel pin.

    I could do without all 10 and just go by the Golden Rule.

    As far as 'needing' the commandments... we have laws that say the same thing with penalties. like grown ups...
    And do you have any idea what inspired those laws you now enjoy?

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    thomas jefferson was in france and didnt vote on the constitution
    You know that might be why I wrote "and also about Thomas Jefferson's suitability for the Presidency" It was meant to indicate two separate subjects, the way I phrased it, probably should have been separate sentences for clarity.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    The point of the separation of church and state is to keep both separate. And through the First Amendment we make sure the Government does not dictate to us what religion to believe in etc. With a system set up to disallow the Government from interfering officially with religion by effect we also have made it where religion cannot have an effect on the Government. Obviously we have failed at this task through out American history. But none the less the Government by law has no place in religion and religion has no place in the Government.
    Here is what the First Amendment actually says.


    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I certainly understand the meaning of "enlightenment".

    Which meaning did you intend?


    The Age of Enlightenment

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    Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy - Enlightenment
    The Enlightenment is the period in the history of western thought and culture, stretching roughly from the mid-decades of the seventeenth century through the eighteenth century, characterized by dramatic revolutions in science, philosophy, society and politics; these revolutions swept away the medieval world-view and ushered in our modern western world. Enlightenment thought culminates historically in the political upheaval of the French Revolution, in which the traditional hierarchical political and social orders (the French monarchy, the privileges of the French nobility, the political power and authority of the Catholic Church) were violently destroyed and replaced by a political and social order informed by the Enlightenment ideals of freedom and equality for all, founded, ostensibly, upon principles of human reason.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Here is what the First Amendment actually says.
    People seem to either ignore or forget the strictures found in the last sentence of Article VI, paragraph 3 of the Constitution
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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