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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    But I really don't know why the president needs to take a stand on this issue at all unless people want the federal government to get involved in their personal choices. Now who in their right mind would want that?
    Support for gay marriage bans is people wanting government involved in peoples personal lives. Support for gay marriage is the opposite.

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Support for gay marriage bans is people wanting government involved in peoples personal lives. Support for gay marriage is the opposite.
    It would seem the opposite is true - government is only involved in marriages that it recognizes. People for same sex marriage are asking for more government involvement - mainly government protections.

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    It would seem the opposite is true - government is only involved in marriages that it recognizes. People for same sex marriage are asking for more government involvement - mainly government protections.
    And I see no movement amongst heterosexuals to get rid of those. Oh well unless one happens to marry a person of the same sex.

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    It would seem the opposite is true - government is only involved in marriages that it recognizes. People for same sex marriage are asking for more government involvement - mainly government protections.
    Either get rid of all marriages or make them equal then. You can't have an in-between that is discriminatory.
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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    I see President Obama's support for gay marriage more along the lines of whats best for the nation, not all about his personal convictions.

    'Millions' of religious minorities will flock to Willard's party because of same sex marriage? Now that is wishful thinking! More likely millions of moderates will reconsider the balance and see Obama as the more inclusive candidate.

    Now banking on Catholics to vote en masse for Willard because their Priest attacks same sex marriage... millions of Catholics regularly use contraceptives against the Priest's pronouncements, you REALLY think they will line up for this during an election year?

    No, I think the lines are drawn fairly hard between gays and uber religious, whats in play are the moderates. Just who convinces them to get on board is complicated, some radical right wing brains may not understand all that, but what the hey, those few won't change even if JC came down and knelt before Obama.

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    I'm getting the feeling this is a campaign move with little punch. He left himself wide open to not move on his new-found support.
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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    And I see no movement amongst heterosexuals to get rid of those. Oh well unless one happens to marry a person of the same sex.
    I see a trend in people not marrying and saying they can do just fine without the government involved in relationships though.
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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Thank you Hussein Obama..........With that statement you just lost the election..........You did it to get votes but the problem is you already have the gay vote and you will lose millions of religeous Hispanic, Blacks and Catholics vote..

    What a scumbag this guy is............He runs for president saying he does not support Gay Marriage and then when he is elected he does a flip flop and supports it............
    So, if Obama has "flip floped" on the issue, Mitt Romney has as well since he once supported equality.

    Mitt Romney seeking the US Senate seat (against Ted Kennedy) in 1994:

    To the Members of the Log Cabin Club of Massachusetts:
    I am writing to thank the Log Cabin Club of Massachusetts for the advice and support you have given me during my campaign for the US Senate and to seek the Club's formal endorsement of my election. The Log Cabin Club has played a vital role in reinvigorating the Republican Party in Massachusetts and your endorsement is important to me because it will provide further confirmation that my campaign and approach to government is consistent with the values and vision of government we share.

    I am pleased to have had an opportunity to talk with you and to meet many of you personally during your September meeting. I learned a great deal from those discussions and many thoughtful questions you posed. As a result of our discussions and other interactions with gay and lesbian voters across the state, I am more convinced than ever before that as we seek to establish full equality for America's gay and lesbian citizens, I will provide more effective leadership than my opponent.

    I am not unaware of my opponents considerable record in the area of civil rights, or the commitment of Massachusetts voters to the principle of equality for all Americans. For some voters it might be enough for me to simply match my opponent's record in this area. But I believe we can and must do better. If we are to achieve the goals we share, we must make equality for gays and lesbians a mainstream concern. My opponent cannot do this. I can and will.

    We have discussed a number of important issues such as the Federal Employee Nondiscrimination Act (ENDA), which I have agreed to co-sponsor, and if possible broaden to include housing and credit, and the bill to create a federal panel to find ways to reduce gay and lesbian youth suicide, which I also support. One issue I want to clarify concerns President Clinton's "don't ask, don't tell, don't pursue" military policy. I believe that the Clinton compromise was a step in the right direction. I am also convinced that it is the first of a number of steps that will ultimately lead to gays and lesbians being able to serve openly and honestly in our nation's military. That goal will only be reached when preventing discrimination against gays and lesbians is a mainstream concern, which is a goal we share.

    As we begin the final phase of this campaign, I need your support more than ever. By working together, we will achieve the goals we share for Massachusetts and our nation.

    Sincerely,

    W. Mitt Romney

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I'm getting the feeling this is a campaign move with little punch. He left himself wide open to not move on his new-found support.
    If same-sex marriage is a strong enough issue for someone where it would swing their vote, they weren't the sort of person who was going to vote Democrat anyway.
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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If same-sex marriage is a strong enough issue for someone where it would swing their vote, they weren't the sort of person who was going to vote Democrat anyway.
    He needs a winning coalition to get it through without a serious backfire. I don't see that coalition. I see polling data that theoretically supports gay marriage, but time after time again, you don't have enough states on that fence to make this thing stick.
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