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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    From a strategic standpoint, I really don't see the advantage in publicly announcing his support for same sex marriage, the gay vote wasn't exactly hanging in the balance, and the issue is hardly important enough to the average American to induce any sizable swing in his favor. Edit: Not to mention the risk of losing a handful of the more fervent religious democrats. The economy will and always will be the most important issue for swing voters, perhaps that's why Obama is steering attention clear of the woefully mediocre job market and more towards specifically targeted social issues.
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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
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    Not at all. Beliefs have more to do with it than race. Just because a person is black does not mean they have to vote some predetermined thing. That is just stereotyping. The fact is the majority of people don't oppose gay marriage. Those that strongly support gay marriage are likely democratic voters anyhow. Those who strongly oppose gay marriage are largely going to be republican voters. It is going to depend even more so on the black people that you poll. Go into a black southern baptist church and take that poll. then take that same poll in a black night club. Bet you get different results. And yet they are all black. I think for the majority of Americans gay marriage is not something that will be a deciding factor because most people dont feel strongly enough about it either way. Like I said before Obama will get some votes because of it, and will lose some because of it. His staff determined somehow that it would bring in more than it would lose so he said it. Whether or not he really believes it, who knows. Doesn't matter. It is all about the votes. That is all he cares about.
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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Not at all. Beliefs have more to do with it than race. Just because a person is black does not mean they have to vote some predetermined thing. That is just stereotyping. The fact is the majority of people don't oppose gay marriage. Those that strongly support gay marriage are likely democratic voters anyhow. Those who strongly oppose gay marriage are largely going to be republican voters. It is going to depend even more so on the black people that you poll. Go into a black southern baptist church and take that poll. then take that same poll in a black night club. Bet you get different results. And yet they are all black. I think for the majority of Americans gay marriage is not something that will be a deciding factor because most people dont feel strongly enough about it either way. Like I said before Obama will get some votes because of it, and will lose some because of it. His staff determined somehow that it would bring in more than it would lose so he said it. Whether or not he really believes it, who knows. Doesn't matter. It is all about the votes. That is all he cares about.
    Voting results have suggested otherwise.

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Voting results have suggested otherwise.
    Not everyone votes. A lot of people who do favor (even slightly) dont go vote. There are a lot of anti gay organizations out there who are very capable of getting a lot of people to vote. I honestly do not think the majority of Americans oppose gay marriage.
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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Voting results have suggested otherwise.
    But actual polls suggest that muciti is correct.
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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Voting results have suggested otherwise.
    My response from another thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Basically, the demographic groups which tend to support SSM are less likely to go out and vote on such an issue than the groups which are opposed. That would at least partially explain the discrepancy between the polling data and voter turnout.
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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    My response from another thread:
    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Not everyone votes. A lot of people who do favor (even slightly) dont go vote. There are a lot of anti gay organizations out there who are very capable of getting a lot of people to vote. I honestly do not think the majority of Americans oppose gay marriage.
    Plausible assumption, but I'm simply basing my evaluation on the only tangible results available.

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Not at all. Beliefs have more to do with it than race. Just because a person is black does not mean they have to vote some predetermined thing. That is just stereotyping. The fact is the majority of people don't oppose gay marriage. Those that strongly support gay marriage are likely democratic voters anyhow. Those who strongly oppose gay marriage are largely going to be republican voters. It is going to depend even more so on the black people that you poll. Go into a black southern baptist church and take that poll. then take that same poll in a black night club. Bet you get different results. And yet they are all black. I think for the majority of Americans gay marriage is not something that will be a deciding factor because most people dont feel strongly enough about it either way. Like I said before Obama will get some votes because of it, and will lose some because of it. His staff determined somehow that it would bring in more than it would lose so he said it. Whether or not he really believes it, who knows. Doesn't matter. It is all about the votes. That is all he cares about.
    I think Obama is well aware how the black community feels about SSM and he's always said he was for "civil unions" which was a way to say he believed that Gays deserved civil rights protection like everyone else and to avoid conflicting with his own religious belief about it. Because I don't think he really believes that it is the governments business to say who a person can or can't marry because that would be like the government dictating who you can love. It would probably be against the constitution as well since the states are passing laws based on religious belief in order to deny equality to a minority group of citizens. I think that is why Obama kept saying his opinion was "evolving" as he waited to see how the NC election turned out. Now he knows.

    But I really don't know why the president needs to take a stand on this issue at all unless people want the federal government to get involved in their personal choices. Now who in their right mind would want that?

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I think Obama is well aware how the black community feels about SSM and he's always said he was for "civil unions" which was a way to say he believed that Gays deserved civil rights protection like everyone else and to avoid conflicting with his own religious belief about it. Because I don't think he really believes that it is the governments business to say who a person can or can't marry because that would be like the government dictating who you can love. It would probably be against the constitution as well since the states are passing laws based on religious belief in order to deny equality to a minority group of citizens. I think that is why Obama kept saying his opinion was "evolving" as he waited to see how the NC election turned out. Now he knows.

    But I really don't know why the president needs to take a stand on this issue at all unless people want the federal government to get involved in their personal choices. Now who in their right mind would want that?
    I wouldnt mind seeing something at a federal level stating that states could not outlaw gay marriage.
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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post

    But I really don't know why the president needs to take a stand on this issue at all unless people want the federal government to get involved in their personal choices. Now who in their right mind would want that?
    Many people on this forum and anyone wanting government to be involved in marriage in general.

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