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    I don't care if Gays get married. Still not going to vote for him. He will most likely lose more of the christian and catholic vote. I do wonder if the WBC will pickett the White House now?

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I go with what I think will get the best results. I honestly wish the SCOTUS would just strike down all anti-ssm laws and get this whole argument over with. The support is not there for a Federal Marriage Amendment so once the SCOTUS rules that all anti-ssm laws are discriminatory and against the 14th Amendment, including DOMA, that will make this whole issue go away. We might see one or two additional side items, but likely most people will just go on with their lives.
    It's certainly easy to fear how the courts may rule based on the past, but this notion that one states license is automatically retroactively applied to all states doesn't make sense to me.

    Is not how it works today? for example, with a drivers license. In Minnesota you can be licensed at 16. Many other states are 17. Can a 16 year old Minnesota teen cross state lines, and drive legally? Can he move and retain his license even while 16? I didn't think so, byt I'm now not sure.

    Anybody know how this works?

    My number # concern is that I want to preserve the republican form of government as this is the best way as a nation to remain unified. The more we have one central agency ruling on issues, the more likely we become divided.

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    I don't care if Gays get married. Still not going to vote for him. He will most likely lose more of the christian and catholic vote. I do wonder if the WBC will pickett the White House now?

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    50% of Catholics support marriage equality.

    After yesterday I bet that number will go up.

    People who know in their hearts that marriage equality is the right thing, the American thing, and the Christian thing to do... can now come out of the closet.

    Thank you, President Obama.

    Thank you for leading, finally...

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I'm sorry....I didn't hear Obama attacking Romney on this issue. Care to direct us to a link?
    WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama's campaign is using his support of gay marriage to draw a contrast with Republican rival Mitt Romney.

    The morning after Obama publically embraced same-sex marriage, his campaign released a web video titled "Mitt Romney: Backwards on Equality."

    The video opens with Obama saying same-sex couples should be allowed to get married, followed by a clip of Romney saying Wednesday that he opposes gay marriage
    and favors rolling back some rights for same-sex couples.
    Obama Campaign Touts Support For Gay Marriage, Hits Mitt Romney

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    It does seem disingenous for the pro-gay marriage side to know that their president likely shifted his stance for additional votes.
    You're not suggesting that anyone--least of all Obama--believes this will result in a net gain in votes, are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    I wonder how many that have praised him, realized he said that states should decide. Um, that kinda means he supports what NC did, for they decided. Hmm..
    Are you implying that acknowledging jurisdiction means that someone agrees with decisions made there? Ditto the status quo?

    Both sides agree that Obama plays a deep game and knows a thing or two about constitutional law. Right now he's waiting for the SCOTUS to kick these laws and amendments to the curb. Personally, I wouldn't bet against it.

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Pirvaya View Post
    You're not suggesting that anyone--least of all Obama--believes this will result in a net gain in votes, are you?
    Do you think it will result in a net loss of votes? A prudent candidate wouldn't choose to do that.

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    I find this whole ploy interesting, and just realized maybe another side effect that Obama was hoping for was it would show how stupid the conservative media is. Apparently Rush Limbaugh and Fox is pegging this as "War on Marriage". How many wives has Limbaugh had again? Anyways, I take back what I said about Obama shouldn't have drawn attention to this, he should draw more attention to it so that conservatives do and I got something entertaining to watch.
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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    It's certainly easy to fear how the courts may rule based on the past, but this notion that one states license is automatically retroactively applied to all states doesn't make sense to me.

    Is not how it works today? for example, with a drivers license. In Minnesota you can be licensed at 16. Many other states are 17. Can a 16 year old Minnesota teen cross state lines, and drive legally? Can he move and retain his license even while 16? I didn't think so, byt I'm now not sure.

    Anybody know how this works?

    My number # concern is that I want to preserve the republican form of government as this is the best way as a nation to remain unified. The more we have one central agency ruling on issues, the more likely we become divided.
    In answer to the question about driver's license recognition:
    It is called the Full Faith and Credit ClauseArticle IV, Section 1, of the U.S. Constitution— and it provides that the various states must recognize legislative acts, public records, and judicial decisions of the other states within the United States.

    The Full Faith and Credit Clause was the primary reason for the passage of the Defense of Marriage Act. DOMA gave each state the right to refuse recognition of a legal same sex marriage performed in another state. It will form the basis of the eventual SCOTUS challenge to anti-same sex marriage. IMO
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Pirvaya View Post
    You're not suggesting that anyone--least of all Obama--believes this will result in a net gain in votes, are you?
    Don't be so sure -- it very well could. Courage, honestly and integrity are some of the most powerful forces in the universe. People are draw to a courageous leader.

    Even the most anti-gay types are aware of the risk he took. Some have tried to spin it as a 'political' move. Given the sincerity of his comments yesterday (especially about Biden); I think the boldness may draw more people in.

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Thanks. I took a look at the message and agree that it is somewhat disengenuous and comes across a little hypocritical and too strong. Although I do believe that some parts of the message are valid points. I think this ad was a mistake for the Obama campaign to put out.
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