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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Did Obama really do the right thing? One has to remember that the whole "gay" vs. "straight" idea is being discredited and queer theory is emerging as the new way to think about sexuality.

    IMHO, these labels--"gay" and "straight", which are supposed to be only temporary, are doing more damage than good. When people lock themselves into labels that don't do justice to their true nature, they'll just end up limiting themselves.
    Which is why the proper term for the issue is same sex marriage, since it doesn't matter what your sexuality is, you will still be able to marry the person you want to marry. Gays already technically can get married, but only to a person of the opposite sex, just like straights. But neither straights, gays, nor inbetweeners can get married to someone of the same sex. That is why this is really a case of sex discrimination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    IMHO, these labels--"gay" and "straight", which are supposed to be only temporary, are doing more damage than good. When people lock themselves into labels that don't do justice to their true nature,
    What's their "true nature"?

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    What's their "true nature"?
    Not sure, but it's probably more interesting than "gay," just as I'm the sum of more than "not gay."

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    IMHO, these labels--"gay" and "straight", which are supposed to be only temporary, are doing more damage than good. When people lock themselves into labels that don't do justice to their true nature, they'll just end up limiting themselves.
    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I think the people are doing the labeling are the ones who are telling others that they can't marry the person they love because they're "queer".
    I think you have it backwards. Labeling came about with the rather new invention of "sexual orientation." 100 years ago, people understood sexual behavior and sexual feelings but did not recognize that as a central characteristic to one's person. That is, a person might engage in sodomy, but that person was not "a homosexual". "Homosexuality" was not understood as an immutable characteristic that should be protected from discrimination. Labeling has helped the "gay rights movement" more than it has hurt it.
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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I think you have it backwards. Labeling came about with the rather new invention of "sexual orientation." 100 years ago, people understood sexual behavior and sexual feelings but did not recognize that as a central characteristic to one's person. That is, a person might engage in sodomy, but that person was not "a homosexual". "Homosexuality" was not understood as an immutable characteristic that should be protected from discrimination. Labeling has helped the "gay rights movement" more than it has hurt it.
    It's a matter of toxicity, I'd say. At the very least it's a double edged sword: a label can give a name to a problem, but it can also reduce a person to a caricature. So it's not the labeling, but how it's used.

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Not sure, but it's probably more interesting than "gay," just as I'm the sum of more than "not gay."
    So, do away with the idea of "sexual orientation" or what?

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    It does seem disingenous for the pro-gay marriage side to know that their president likely shifted his stance for additional votes. It'd be great if he actually held to his true beliefs; the same can be said for any president.

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    It does seem disingenous for the pro-gay marriage side to know that their president likely shifted his stance for additional votes. It'd be great if he actually held to his true beliefs; the same can be said for any president.
    I wonder how many that have praised him, realized he said that states should decide. Um, that kinda means he supports what NC did, for they decided. Hmm..
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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    It does seem disingenous for the pro-gay marriage side to know that their president likely shifted his stance for additional votes. It'd be great if he actually held to his true beliefs; the same can be said for any president.
    I'd rather a President actually grow and learn than stubbornly hold to discriminatory beliefs. If Romney came out before the election and said he was for same sex marriage (don't think it is very likely at all to happen, but lets play along anyway), I'd be basically back to not caring who won. I might vote for a third party or something. I would consider it progressive thinking and willingness to actually consider the other side.
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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I'd rather a President actually grow and learn than stubbornly hold to discriminatory beliefs. If Romney came out before the election and said he was for same sex marriage (don't think it is very likely at all to happen, but lets play along anyway), I'd be basically back to not caring who won. I might vote for a third party or something. I would consider it progressive thinking and willingness to actually consider the other side.
    It really depends on if he's "grown," or is lying to gain votes. Note, this is a politician we're talking about so it wouldn't be surprising.

    Personally I detest how politicians tend to lie and "change" their views to garner the most votes.

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