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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually I think the two of you have it mixed up. Obama has said he nor his administration is going to defend DOMA. And this is a precedent that has been done by several past Presidents for laws that they do not agree with, generally when they were passed by earlier administrations and were getting challenged.

    DOMA is still being enforced. Same sex couples do not get any of the federal benefits of marriage even if married in those states that have legalized it.
    Yeah, I should have said "enforced" instead of "defend" oops.

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    Well I find the move a tad odd and obviously, ABC News and the White House set this up. cp may have a point that this is to get more left donors but honestly, the guy already has far more money than Romney in campaign dollars. I think it is more about him trying to "prove" he can answer "tough" questions directly. To me, this is a non-issue and I am a bit disappointed Obama brought it up right now.
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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Well I find the move a tad odd and obviously, ABC News and the White House set this up. cp may have a point that this is to get more left donors but honestly, the guy already has far more money than Romney in campaign dollars. I think it is more about him trying to "prove" he can answer "tough" questions directly. To me, this is a non-issue and I am a bit disappointed Obama brought it up right now.
    Did he bring it up? Why would he bring it up and not have difinitive answer? That doesnt make sense.

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Did he bring it up? Why would he bring it up and not have difinitive answer? That doesnt make sense.
    As I theorized before, this was setup with ABC for him to come out and say this. I am disappointed he is using this to distract people from real issues such as our economy, jobs, infrastructure, the budget, etc.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Never met a liberal against gay marriage and very few that are pro life.....I think I will start a poll.....
    Let me help you with your world view that "all liberals" are anything. I am a liberal and a very strong Christian. My Christian perspective has me believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. Therefore, I would not support legislation that would allow gay marriage. However, please also understand that I believe it is wrong to try to legislate morality as moral standards will also be higher than legal standards. I also believe that efforts to restrict rights of others generally are hate motivated, so I would not be in favor of legislation to restrict rights such as was passed in North Carolina yesterday.

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    As I theorized before, this was setup with ABC for him to come out and say this. I am disappointed he is using this to distract people from real issues such as our economy, jobs, infrastructure, the budget, etc.
    When did human rights become something less than a "real issue"?

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    As I theorized before, this was setup with ABC for him to come out and say this. I am disappointed he is using this to distract people from real issues such as our economy, jobs, infrastructure, the budget, etc.
    See, I see this as the one sure thing that anyone in our government could do to improve our economy, even just a little bit. Same sex marriage being legal has proven to be a financial positive, at least a little bit, to everywhere it has happened in the US. Plus, it is highly likely that anti-ssm policies cost our government tons of money due to litigation.

    It isn't like the President cannot do multiple things in a day or a week or until Nov. If he concentrates on pretty much nothing but this issue, then I would say he is definitely distracting people. But this is just one day during a time when people were already focused on this issue anyway from the vote in NC.
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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    As I theorized before, this was setup with ABC for him to come out and say this. I am disappointed he is using this to distract people from real issues such as our economy, jobs, infrastructure, the budget, etc.
    There is no distraction. If anything, he de-emphasized the issue by choosing clarity over being obtuse, which is where he has been to date. Being vague only invites speculation and debate on that speculation. By being clear, we can move on.

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    When did human rights become something less than a "real issue"?
    It isn't a real issue because it isn't that complicated. People just make it complicated, therefore lets distract people from actual complicated issues that we could try and explain with something that is as easy as waiting for a democratic majority and voting on.

    See, I see this as the one sure thing that anyone in our government could do to improve our economy, even just a little bit. Same sex marriage being legal has proven to be a financial positive, at least a little bit, to everywhere it has happened in the US. Plus, it is highly likely that anti-ssm policies cost our government tons of money due to litigation.

    It isn't like the President cannot do multiple things in a day or a week or until Nov. If he concentrates on pretty much nothing but this issue, then I would say he is definitely distracting people. But this is just one day during a time when people were already focused on this issue anyway from the vote in NC.
    Fair enough wasn't even thinking about the NC thing but when I get 3 damn emails about this one damn comment from Obama, Biden, DNC, etc newsletters then it tells me it is a simply ploy for money like cp said, or a way to charge the base and get people like Your Star clapping.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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