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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Biden's comment came before NC. The response was angry and frustration from many who support SSM. Obama makes his statement the following day. It bookends the NC vote. Obama has solidified those who were angry to his camp. It was a smart political move. Those that voted for Amendment 1 in NC are unlikely to vote for Obama anyway. Those that have been voting against SSM in other states may not be Obama supporters of Obama either. He has incited now those that may be on the fence or those who do not vote but support SSM. I don't see how his announcement hurts him in any way.
    I think the religious black community in NC voted over whelmingly for the ban on SSM, just as they did for Prop 8 in California. But I'm not sure if that will hurt Obama in the election. They've certainly had other issues with Obama as well. But at the end of day, I think they will still overwhelmingly vote for him in November. That is unless they don't have a voter ID!!!!
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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    He already has acted on it........
    No, he told the courts to act on it. And doesn't he already have enough awaiting results from the courts that could crush him? Why would he push for more possible outcomes that may not go his way?

    If he want's to take action, then how about he put forth an 'equality in marriage' amendment proposal and start stumping for it?
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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    No, he told the courts to act on it. And doesn't he already have enough awaiting results from the courts that could crush him? Why would he push for more possible outcomes that may not go his way?

    If he want's to take action, then how about he put forth an 'equality in marriage' amendment proposal and start stumping for it?

    There's already a senate bill to overturn DOMA.

    The teabaggers (fiscal conservatives-- yeah right) in the House won't touch it.

    It was a bold move to have the justice department stop defending DOMA -- brilliant end run around a broken congress.

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    No, he told the courts to act on it.
    Thats because we are a nation of laws.

    And doesn't he already have enough awaiting results from the courts that could crush him? Why would he push for more possible outcomes that may not go his way?
    He's got plenty on his plate, thats for sure.

    If he want's to take action, then how about he put forth an 'equality in marriage' amendment proposal and start stumping for it?
    But if he did that then wouldn't he be accused of politicizing his presidential authority? Anyway, as president he is obligated to defend the laws and that means he has to defend the DOMA. Which is probably why his administration asked the courts to fast track those cases involving the constitutionality of DOMA.

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    But if he did that then wouldn't he be accused of politicizing his presidential authority?
    If he did that then I might considering him a leader, rather than yet another worthless president.

    Anyway, as president he is obligated to defend the laws and that means he has to defend the DOMA.
    So since he said he was not going to enforce DOMA, does that mean he has moved against his obligations, and could be sighted in some way for dereliction of duty?
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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    So since he said he was not going to enforce DOMA, does that mean he has moved against his obligations, and could be sighted in some way for dereliction of duty?
    Actually I think the two of you have it mixed up. Obama has said he nor his administration is going to defend DOMA. And this is a precedent that has been done by several past Presidents for laws that they do not agree with, generally when they were passed by earlier administrations and were getting challenged.

    DOMA is still being enforced. Same sex couples do not get any of the federal benefits of marriage even if married in those states that have legalized it.
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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I think the religious black community in NC voted over whelmingly for the ban on SSM, just as they did for Prop 8 in California. But I'm not sure if that will hurt Obama in the election. They've certainly had other issues with Obama as well. But at the end of day, I think they will still overwhelmingly vote for him in November. That is unless they don't have a voter ID!!!!
    I think the black community will vote for him in the general election. They won't vote for the R's in the numbers they need to pick up the slack. This was a good move by Obama.
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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    It would seem the opposite is true - government is only involved in marriages that it recognizes. People for same sex marriage are asking for more government involvement - mainly government protections.
    I strongly disagree. Marriage, and who or who does not get married, is none of the government's damn business.
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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Great points.

    But I also think this bold move on his part restores faith in many that he is an exceptional individual deserving of a second term-- in other words, people who voted for Obama but might have stayed home in the election were tomorrow -- because of what our leader did today, those people will wait in 3 hour line to vote for him.
    Great point as well.

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    Re: Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    If he did that then I might considering him a leader, rather than yet another worthless president.
    But thats what conservatives want is to quagmire him in one of their social wedge issues. I think he's too smart for that. But we'll see.

    So since he said he was not going to enforce DOMA, does that mean he has moved against his obligations, and could be sighted in some way for dereliction of duty?
    The Obama administration may have stopped defending DOMA, but it is still enforcing it.....



    "...The Obama Administration last year gave up its defense in court of DOMA’s ban, arguing that it cannot pass a more rigorous test of constitutionality. It has continued to enforce the provision while the court cases proceed, however. In the meantime, the legal defense of DOMA has been taken over by lawyers representing the Republican leadership of the House of Representatives. That GOP group filed one of the appeals in the Ninth Circuit, and is involved in the First Circuit case, as well as in others around the country. The government filed the other appeal, for technical procedural reasons to assure that there would be a genuine case...."
    Fast-track plea on gay marriage : SCOTUSblog

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