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    Re: North Carolina voters approve same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Allowing gays to marry has no flippin' effect on anyone who is not gay.

    I have no idea why people are dead set against it other than religious prejudice and ignorance.

    Gay marriage does not change, alter, or take anything away from straight marriage.
    But but but...nah, that is right.
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    Re: North Carolina voters approve same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by 00timh View Post
    For the advocates of states rights, this is a victory, if one is truly an advocate of states rights and not just when it suits them. This is how this country was set up. For states to be able to have the kind of laws they want to have. This is the way North Carolinians want to live. Just as it is equally a victory for states to have gay marriage, its their choice to have it and to live the way they want to live.
    Another reason it is good that Ron Paul got blown out of the water in the election and it was his last hurrah. People who claim "state rights" fiats civil and human rights.

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    Re: North Carolina voters approve same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Allowing gays to marry has no flippin' effect on anyone who is not gay.

    I have no idea why people are dead set against it other than religious prejudice and ignorance.

    Gay marriage does not change, alter, or take anything away from straight marriage.
    Why are people so dead set for it?

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    Re: North Carolina voters approve same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Actually, there are documents older than the bible acknowledging homosexuality.
    Acknowledging homosexuality does not equal gay marriage.
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    Re: North Carolina voters approve same-sex marriage ban

    When prop 8 is shot down by the courts, which it most likely will be, this will be shot down too. When DOMA is overturned by the courts, which is almost certain, it makes this amendment mostly irrelevant. This is the last stand of old people who fear change and the far religious right.
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    Re: North Carolina voters approve same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Why are people so dead set for it?
    For one thing, it's an equal rights issue. Not special rights. Equal rights.

    For two, it hurts nobody, and helps many.

    Those two things alone are adequate reasons for most.

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    Re: North Carolina voters approve same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    For one thing, it's an equal rights issue. Not special rights. Equal rights.

    For two, it hurts nobody, and helps many.

    Those two things alone are adequate reasons for most.
    Smoking weed in your house by yourself doesn't hurt anybody either, but it's illegal in all 50 states (sans any medical weed Rx's). Not hurting anyone doesn't make something right or accepted by society.

    When you accept, and 50 states accept, that people should have a right to smoke weed in their own home not harming a soul, I'll accept gay marriage.

    And how in the hell does gay marraige HELP anyone? Because it's simply a word, right? They can already live together, do everything they want. Why are gays so stuck on the word marraige?
    Last edited by dontworrybehappy; 05-09-12 at 11:07 AM.

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    Re: North Carolina voters approve same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    For one thing, it's an equal rights issue. Not special rights. Equal rights.

    For two, it hurts nobody, and helps many.

    Those two things alone are adequate reasons for most.
    Not to pick on you, but those are among the weakest arguments in favor of SSM. Arguments that work best are those that promote positive aspects in SSM, most notably in this case being that married couples are more stable and better able to raise children and those children tend to have fewer issues in life(ie not as likely to be arrested, not as likely to need mental health help, etc). SSM provides a clear benefit to society and more directly, to children of gay people.
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    Re: North Carolina voters approve same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Smoking weed in your house by yourself doesn't hurt anybody either, but it's illegal in all 50 states (sans any medical weed Rx's). Not hurting anyone doesn't make something right or accepted by society.

    When you accept, and 50 states accept, that people should have a right to smoke weed in their own home not harming a soul, I'll accept gay marriage.

    And how in the hell does gay marraige HELP anyone? Because it's simply a word, right? They can already live together, do everything they want. Why are gays so stuck on the word marraige?
    Smoking weed does hurt some one. The person smoking it. So comparison fail.
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    Re: North Carolina voters approve same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What is immoral to you is not to another. How are your views more right than theirs?
    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    How about because mine align with thousands of years of human existance and tradition while theirs do not?
    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Actually, there are documents older than the bible acknowledging homosexuality.
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Acknowledging homosexuality does not equal gay marriage.
    This is the chain of conversation.

    Tigger’s comment was his views were not immoral because he has tradition and human existence. I commented that there are documents that show homosexuality not only existed, but was “traditional”.

    I agree that acknowledging homosexuality is not the equivalent to gay marriage, but then again, I never said that they were equivalent.
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