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    Re: North Carolina voters approve same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    How much you want to bet that most of that extra turnout was in fact to vote against the amendment since there really was not much of any other reason for many people besides Republicans to turn out.
    A comparison with the poll data suggests that to be true (it passed by a wider margin than polled) - but it's not true that "only Republicans had a reason to turn out." In fact, I believe turnout was higher among Democrats (Democrats were actually voting on a competitive race for their gubinitorial nominee - candidates for the two major Republican races were shoe-ins).

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Amendment One actually energized the liberals and those who are for same sex marriage being legal, even if they didn't win. Such people are much more likely to vote for Obama in the main election. So now you have an energized party that didn't have any reason to otherwise become excited. This can be a good thing for Dems, and especially Obama.

    Richmond County Daily Journal - Amendment One to Obama

    It's a pretty good theory on how Amendment One could have actually helped Obama with campaigning in NC.
    Sounds like a lot of wishful thinking. Half of his support in 2008 came from black voters, who oppose same sex marriage by a wide margain. Knowing that, it's not surprising that NC Democrats as a whole were split on Amendment 1, with a slight majority in favor of its passing.

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    Re: North Carolina voters approve same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    A comparison with the poll data suggests that to be true (it passed by a wider margin than polled) - but it's not true that "only Republicans had a reason to turn out." In fact, I believe turnout was higher among Democrats (Democrats were actually voting on a competitive race for their gubinitorial nominee - candidates for the two major Republican races were shoe-ins).

    Sounds like a lot of wishful thinking. Half of his support in 2008 came from black voters, who oppose same sex marriage by a wide margain. Knowing that, it's not surprising that NC Democrats as a whole were split on Amendment 1, with a slight majority in favor of its passing.
    It still comes back to how it will affect Obama. Overall, it is not very likely to lose him any votes from Dems, even black or Christian Dems because it wasn't exactly a huge change in his position. He wasn't likely to support a one man/one woman Amendment to the US Constitution considering he doesn't support DOMA.

    It's possible that it could lose him some Independents or others, but it could easily gain him just as many or more. (He gained one already.) And it is highly unlikely that it would make a difference in any way for any Republican on this issue because they most likely weren't going to vote for him to begin with.
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    Re: North Carolina voters approve same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It still comes back to how it will affect Obama. Overall, it is not very likely to lose him any votes from Dems, even black or Christian Dems because it wasn't exactly a huge change in his position.
    Spend a Sunday or two in a black church and you might not be so confident in that assumption. There's a reason, after all, that Obama has held such a wishy-washy stance on the issue.

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    Re: North Carolina voters approve same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Spend a Sunday or two in a black church and you might not be so confident in that assumption. There's a reason, after all, that Obama has held such a wishy-washy stance on the issue.
    A) this assumes that all blacks go to church. B) it also assumes that all religious blacks are completely against same sex marriage.

    Don’t blame blacks for Obama’s reticence on same-sex marriage (Updated) - PostPartisan - The Washington Post

    An ex of mine, who is black, was one of the first ones to post on facebook that he was very disappointed that Amendment One passed. He, like myself, was raised in NC.

    Plus, Obama is going after many of the demographics that got him elected in the first place in a bid to energize them in one area that sets many of them apart from other voters, they support same sex marriage. This is the LGBT groups, young voters, and even many women. And, although the support is less than Democrats, the Independents support same sex marriage more than they oppose it.
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    Re: North Carolina voters approve same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well look at that. The very reason why the Marriage License was created in the first place. Had to stop those unholy marriages between races. Marriage is an institution for 1 man and 1 woman of the same race, quit trying to redefine it!
    Marriage is an institution for 1 man and his property (the wife), quit trying to redefine it!
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: North Carolina voters approve same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Marriage is an institution for 1 man and his property (the wife), quit trying to redefine it!
    Marriage is an institution for 1 man and his property (any number of wives), quit trying to redefine it!
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: North Carolina voters approve same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Marriage is an institution for 1 man and his property (any number of wives), quit trying to redefine it!

    Marriage is an institution for 1 man and whichever female he managed to club over the head and drag home, quit trying to redefine it!
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: North Carolina voters approve same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Marriage is an institution for 1 man and whichever female he managed to club over the head and drag home, quit trying to redefine it!
    Marriage is an institution for 1 man and his right hand. Quit trying to redefine it. Those who marry their left hand worship the Devil.
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    Re: North Carolina voters approve same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Marriage is an institution for 1 man and whichever female he managed to club over the head and drag home, quit trying to redefine it!
    This just makes me think about where we got the best man for the wedding from.

    The guy who stole the girl needed someone to hold off her male relatives while he took her as his.
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    Re: North Carolina voters approve same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    It's pretty hard to interpret this any other way:

    If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (NKJ, Leviticus 20:13)

    Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (NIV, 1st Corinthians 6:9-11)

    They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-- who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. (NIV, Romans 1:25-27)

    I believe in the Bible, I am a Christian. I try to live by the word of God and cannot support people who do not. This is not right or wrong and nothing you can say or do will change this.

    We are done now,

    Goodbye.
    Though marriage is not a 'sin', Jesus preferred we NOT get married as it takes the focus of God and puts it on the spouse. Marriage was intended for those who were promiscuous.

    "Are you married? Do not seek a divorce. Are you unmarried? Do not look for a wife." 1 Corinthians 7:27

    "But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this." 1 Corinthians 7:28

    I do hope you live according to scripture since you "believe in the Bible"
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