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    Re: Richard Mourdock defeats Sen. Dick Lugar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Lugar is a foreign policy expert with an extremely solid track record. His conventional and nuclear disarmament work has directly made this nation safer. Both parties agree on keeping weapons out of the hands of our enemy, and as a true statesman Lugar didn't let partisanship get in the way of getting things done. Its completely idiotic to replace proven competence with nothing but rhetoric, but that is way our country is going to its detriment.
    Interesting that so many (myself included) call for change and are so unhappy with the status quo, yet, when a status quo person is given the boot in a primary, people then claim that voters are going off the deep end and are not voting with their brain for a tried and true success.... but I question the success given the state of our economy and pretty much everything else these days. I am not impressed whatsoever. IMO voting for the tried and true failure of the status quo and expecting change is going off the reservation.

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    Re: Richard Mourdock defeats Sen. Dick Lugar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by 00timh View Post
    Interesting that so many (myself included) call for change and are so unhappy with the status quo, yet, when a status quo person is given the boot in a primary, people then claim that voters are going off the deep end and are not voting with their brain for a tried and true success.... but I question the success given the state of our economy and pretty much everything else these days. I am not impressed whatsoever. IMO voting for the tried and true failure of the status quo and expecting change is going off the reservation.
    This is like saying that your car is running rough -- the status quo is no good -- so you drain all the oil out on the theory that any change is good.

    That last ... and I mean LAST thing we need is more partisan wankers in Congress who are more interested in punishing the opposing party than they are in finding solutions to our country's problems.

    Senator Danforth said it well:

    In 2010, former Sen. John Danforth (R-MO) told the New York Times that “If Dick Lugar, having served five terms in the U.S. Senate and being the most respected person in the Senate and the leading authority on foreign policy, is seriously challenged by anybody in the Republican Party, we have gone so far overboard that we are beyond redemption.” Danforth, an ordained Episcopal priest and President George W. Bush’s Ambassador to the United Nations, served with Lugar in the Senate from 1977 to 1995
    THINKPROGRESS: What do you think is happening here?

    DANFORTH: An effort by some, and apparently a large number, 60% in Indiana, to purge the Republican Party and to create something that’s ideologically pure and intolerant of anybody who does not agree with them — not just on general principles, but right across the board.

    THINKPROGRESS: Do you stand by your view that GOP is beyond hope?

    DANFORTH: If this trend succeeds, yeah. What they will be left with, if indeed they want to purge the party of all but people who have a particular ideological slant… it’s not a way to win elections, it’s not political sustainable. It might make them feel good for a time but doesn’t work, it hasn’t worked. It didn’t work in Nevada or in Delaware in last election. They won nominations but couldn’t win elections. I don’t know how you win elections without getting 51% of the vote. I don’t see how you’re gonna get 51% of the vote if you make it clear that people in your own party, who don’t absolutely agree with everything you want to do, aren’t wanted.
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    Re: Richard Mourdock defeats Sen. Dick Lugar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by 00timh View Post
    Interesting that so many (myself included) call for change and are so unhappy with the status quo, yet, when a status quo person is given the boot in a primary, people then claim that voters are going off the deep end and are not voting with their brain for a tried and true success.... but I question the success given the state of our economy and pretty much everything else these days. I am not impressed whatsoever. IMO voting for the tried and true failure of the status quo and expecting change is going off the reservation.
    You could hardly call most members of congress a "tried and true success". Lugar is somewhat noteworthy because he actually has accomplished something useful during his tenure. I would hardly call his domestic policy stellar, but the same goes for his opponent, not to mention the fact that the result of a primary isn't going to shift the economy in any noticeable way. At the end of the day, the senate will have less foreign policy expertise and gain nothing in return.

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    Re: Richard Mourdock defeats Sen. Dick Lugar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    I thought you liked RINOs, you're giving all your support to Romney.

    that's funny coming from a guy who thinks conservative only applies to those who want women barefoot and pregnant and gays burning at the stake. Your boy Santorum was a fascist when it came to religion but a marxist when it came to fiscal issues. And his nutty views that the product of a rape is a gift from God a woman ought to cherish is enough to make this guy, whose wife was the victim of a date rape who had an abortion as a result-want to puke

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    Re: Richard Mourdock defeats Sen. Dick Lugar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I don't think he'll have to outspend Democrats in the state to win it, and even so, it is rather easily made up for by forcing Obama to defend Wisconsin.
    Again, not the point. It's highly likely that the Obama campaign will raise significantly more money than Romney. He merely needs to fight a war of attrition. Obama can afford to waste more dollars in loss state than Romney can afford to spend in win states. You're right on Wisconsin though, there are number of states that are possible to go either way. The more money each side forces the other to waste in safe states, they less they have to spend in battleground states.
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    Re: Richard Mourdock defeats Sen. Dick Lugar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Lugar is a foreign policy expert with an extremely solid track record. His conventional and nuclear disarmament work has directly made this nation safer. Both parties agree on keeping weapons out of the hands of our enemy, and as a true statesman Lugar didn't let partisanship get in the way of getting things done. Its completely idiotic to replace proven competence with nothing but rhetoric, but that is way our country is going to its detriment.
    It's amusing watching a part of the GOP actively give a senator who kept the country safe the boot.

    The Tea Party just increased America's risk of being hit by a nuclear weapon sent via a terrorist.

    Who the hell is left to ensure the Nunn-Lugar CTR is being enforced?

    To those with decent foreign policy experience, it's a very odd trend to see the GOP campaign to make the country less safe.
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    Re: Richard Mourdock defeats Sen. Dick Lugar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Mitch Daniels has done a pretty good job in that state, and Obama isn't going to win it. I think the assumption is in Murdocks' favor.
    I have to agree, right at this minute...but mourdoch can lose it if hes asked the right questions...remains to be seen yet if the electorate dulls to his far rightedness....lets remember a republican primary is a bit different than the general election...but I agree as of this second he has the advantage

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    Re: Richard Mourdock defeats Sen. Dick Lugar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I have to agree, right at this minute...but mourdoch can lose it if hes asked the right questions...remains to be seen yet if the electorate dulls to his far rightedness....lets remember a republican primary is a bit different than the general election...but I agree as of this second he has the advantage
    The point is that Lugar was a dead-nuts lock to win another term (I believe he never won by LESS than 30%), while Mourdoch is vulnerable. And the bigger point is that the idiot teabaggers are hopelessly ****ing up our government by picking off every reasonable, rational Republican in Congress. It's to the point where Republicans are making a fight out of even the most non-controversial, common sense bills imagineable (e.g. violence against women, student loan interest rates).
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    Re: Richard Mourdock defeats Sen. Dick Lugar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The point is that Lugar was a dead-nuts lock to win another term (I believe he never won by LESS than 30%), while Mourdoch is vulnerable. And the bigger point is that the idiot teabaggers are hopelessly ****ing up our government by picking off every reasonable, rational Republican in Congress. It's to the point where Republicans are making a fight out of even the most non-controversial, common sense bills imagineable (e.g. violence against women, student loan interest rates).
    The point for conservatives is that they are fed up with re-electing cronies who are not conservatives, they simply have an R before their name. Conservatives such as myself would rather lose an election with a conservative candidate rather than win one based solely on party affiliation. Its based on conviction. Knocking out who liberals feel are "good" republicans is exactly the idea. If democrats feel they are good then they are not good for us conservatives. We want politicians who will stand up and vote for our convictions, not go along with the opposition. That gets us nowhere. We would rather fight and lose for our beliefs than not fight at all.

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    Re: Richard Mourdock defeats Sen. Dick Lugar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by 00timh View Post
    The point for conservatives is that they are fed up with re-electing cronies who are not conservatives, they simply have an R before their name. Conservatives such as myself would rather lose an election with a conservative candidate rather than win one based solely on party affiliation. Its based on conviction. Knocking out who liberals feel are "good" republicans is exactly the idea. If democrats feel they are good then they are not good for us conservatives. We want politicians who will stand up and vote for our convictions, not go along with the opposition. That gets us nowhere. We would rather fight and lose for our beliefs than not fight at all.
    Lugar is a solid conservative, with about the same or better conservative rating as many Republican Senators from the deep south. http://conservative.org/ratings/rati...11/senate.html

    I think Lugar's real "sin" was being included in an '08 Obama ad where Obama touted his work with Lugar in addressing rogue nukes as an example of his ability to reach across the aisle. Because, God knows, we don't want members of both parties working together to help eliminate loose nuclear material! We can't have THAT!!
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