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    Re: Neo-Nazis elected in the new Greek parliament

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    There is nothing more interesting than watching Conservative Americans who barely understand America´s own political institutions discuss the social dynamics and political situations of other nations. It´s absolutely mind boggling. The same people who swore we could bring democracy to backwards ass Iraq and Afghanistan with rifles and weak rhetoric are trembling at the thought of democratically elected minorities in other countries.
    Weird isn't it?
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    Re: Neo-Nazis elected in the new Greek parliament

    One thing about the Nazis. They had really sharp looking uniforms. Sure, they killed millions and millions of people, put the whole world at war and got their own country desimated, but they should gotten a best-dressed award.
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    Re: Neo-Nazis elected in the new Greek parliament

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Those who don't pay attention, and learn history are doomed to repeat it.

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    The story gets better when you include the other part....

    Communists were also elected.

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    Re: Neo-Nazis elected in the new Greek parliament

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Those who don't pay attention, and learn history are doomed to repeat it.

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    And the neo-nazi wants to close the borders with land minds.

    Sound familiar?




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    Re: Neo-Nazis elected in the new Greek parliament

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    There is nothing more interesting than watching Conservative Americans who barely understand America´s own political institutions discuss the social dynamics and political situations of other nations.
    Do you feel Leftist Americans understand Europe better? Perhaps only Conservatives understand American political institutions and social dynamics. You've opened the door to unlimited, though useless, analogies.

    It´s absolutely mind boggling. The same people who swore we could bring democracy to backwards ass Iraq and Afghanistan with rifles and weak rhetoric are trembling at the thought of democratically elected minorities in other countries.
    It's mind boggling all right. Who were those Americans "who swore we could bring democracy to backwards ass Iraq and Afghanistan"? Which Americans are "trembling"?

    Europeans lost half their continent to the the Communists, are apparently unaware of the damage done by Nazis, and yet it is the Americans who lack understanding. Even American Conservatives might see the irony here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you feel Leftist Americans understand Europe better?
    On the contrary, I dont pretend I understand the social dynamics of countries I dont live in and have never visited. However I´m sure an "Independent" like yourself is more than willing to explain it to me.

    It's mind boggling all right. Who were those Americans "who swore we could bring democracy to backwards ass Iraq and Afghanistan"?
    International Institute for Strategic Studies Bush vows democracy for Iraq and Middle East

    President Bush vowed to bring democracy to Iraq and the wider Middle East, as he stressed the US-led coalition was not looking for an early exit from Baghdad.

    "We did not charge hundreds of miles into the heart of Iraq and pay a bitter cost of causalities and liberate 25 million people only to retreat before a band of thugs and assassins," he told an audience of foreign policy and defence experts in London’s Banqueting House.
    Which Americans are "trembling"?
    Jmac in this thread for one.

    Europeans lost half their continent to the the Communists, are apparently unaware of the damage done by Nazis, and yet it is the Americans who lack understanding. Even American Conservatives might see the irony here.
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    Re: Neo-Nazis elected in the new Greek parliament

    Quote Originally Posted by Rapunzel52 View Post
    Thoughts??? Yes, you are correct. When things get so bad, the people just want it to stop and will support just about anyone to get it to stop. Problem is what stops it is worse than you ever imagined.
    Thats the danger of pushing a single issue waaay to hard...during bad times...when many people are confused, hurting, or scared.
    It has a negative effect.....they begin to resent it and then fight against it...and at worst use it as the poster issue to vote wildly...

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    Re: Neo-Nazis elected in the new Greek parliament

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    There is nothing more interesting than watching Conservative Americans who barely understand America´s own political institutions discuss the social dynamics and political situations of other nations. It´s absolutely mind boggling. The same people who swore we could bring democracy to backwards ass Iraq and Afghanistan with rifles and weak rhetoric are trembling at the thought of democratically elected minorities in other countries.
    Brilliant comment.

    I'd add the same Conservative Americans are also Christians who embrace archaic Hebrew tribal laws over the teachings of Christ.

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    Re: Neo-Nazis elected in the new Greek parliament

    neo nazis ,while they are greek...no thankss
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    Re: Neo-Nazis elected in the new Greek parliament

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you feel Leftist Americans understand Europe better? Perhaps only Conservatives understand American political institutions and social dynamics. You've opened the door to unlimited, though useless, analogies.



    It's mind boggling all right. Who were those Americans "who swore we could bring democracy to backwards ass Iraq and Afghanistan"? Which Americans are "trembling"?

    Europeans lost half their continent to the the Communists, are apparently unaware of the damage done by Nazis, and yet it is the Americans who lack understanding. Even American Conservatives might see the irony here.

    I disagree with your assessments. Europe didn’t loose any more that the west gained after WWII: it was territorial division, which happens after any major war: the spoils . . .

    The only people (Americans) who are familiar with Europe are those who have studied and been there. Europe is the cradle of western civilization. When we visits there, one deals with a civilization that has been on that ground for the same amount of time that the American Indians have been on ours. That means that, almost everything we think and all that was derived to form the United States started in Europe. So, they know, they’ve done it before. They have to get along: they’re connected to on another the way we are connected to Canada and Mexico. Their policies therefore are naturally going to be more liberal. WWI and II taught Europe that manifest destiny only works in speeches and the US was very lucky that the Indian nation was not more populated and organized, or “the settlers” would have been booted forthwith: Ireland is a strong testimony to that fact.

    American conservatives offer nothing but a belligerence that made Thomas Jefferson shudder: the “ugly American”. . . American conservatives are a whole new brand of Americans that harkens back to 1933 Germany really, and the world, particularly educated America, can see it like the nose on our faces. That’s the problem.

    It’s only about America as much as the rest of the world says it is. 1940 Japan felt the same way as conservatives and still lived in feudal times and we know how that turned out. That’s what happened in Iraq! And it is mind boggling to see that there are people in this country; trying to obtain positions of leadership, as well as their minions who don’t get all that.
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