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    Re: Final insult of Qaeda clowns

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Actually I think all of them have admitted to it.
    Big whoopie. After having been locked up and waterboarded in Guantanamo for all these years, who wouldn't admit to it ? Besides anyone who hated a country a lot would only be too glad to admit to doing something like 9/11 against it.

    Bottom line is that admission does not prove guilt.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The only one I don't think admitted to the 9/11 plot that is on trial is the person who admitted to killing Pearl. Either way, there is indeed evidence.
    Then kindly cite the evidence, i. e. fingerprints, verifiable witness accounts, etc. that would suggest that they were responsible and/or involved in planning/executing 9/11.

    FYI, US govt. allegations and/or statements the US govt. itself makes about what someone else said does not count as evidence. Nor does testimony taken under duress (i. e. torture).

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I'm all for conducting trials when guilt is uncertain, but if they are admitting to it, the trial should be short and justice swift.
    So if someone admits to something he/she didn't do simply to take credit for it (which is likely the case here), you have no problem allowing the real culprit to go free?

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    Re: Final insult of Qaeda clowns

    its good that we are exposing their idiocy.

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    Re: Final insult of Qaeda clowns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    its good that we are exposing their idiocy.
    From your point of view yes, they are idiots, but to many other Muslims they are heroes. And they are the audience these guys are playing too.

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    Re: Final insult of Qaeda clowns

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    From your point of view yes, they are idiots, but to many other Muslims they are heroes. And they are the audience these guys are playing too.
    I still think they should have been moved to a prison somewhere in the USA, and tried in the USA.

    ..but not in NYC. Maybe at that super-max prison in Indiana.

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    Re: Final insult of Qaeda clowns

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Actually I think all of them have admitted to it. The only one I don't think admitted to the 9/11 plot that is on trial is the person who admitted to killing Pearl. Either way, there is indeed evidence.

    I'm all for conducting trials when guilt is uncertain, but if they are admitting to it, the trial should be short and justice swift.
    Confessions extracted under torture are unreliable and inadmissible in the judgement of most civilised courts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Confessions extracted under torture are unreliable and inadmissible in the judgement of most civilised courts.


    Uhm they werent tortured. And they boast and brag about it.
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    Re: Final insult of Qaeda clowns

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    No links or evidence, so why do you post lies?

    Always looking for a negative spin on Obama, forgetting W. couldn't even find Bin Laden.
    So you're calling someone a liar because links weren't provided? You've got a link missing too.

    City Says 9/11 Trials Will Cost $200 Million a Year - NYTimes.com

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    Re: Final insult of Qaeda clowns

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Uhm they werent tortured.
    Umm, yes they were. Even US military prosecutors admit that torture took place.

    Morris Davis, a former colonel who was chief prosecutor when Mohammed was brought to Guantanamo in 2006, said the military commissions will be badly discredited by the use of testimony obtained from waterboarding and other "enhanced interrogation" techniques used on the accused men.
    Former military prosecutor denounces trial
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    Re: Final insult of Qaeda clowns

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Umm, yes they were. Even US military prosecutors admit that torture took place.


    Former military prosecutor denounces trial


    Please list the times and dates these savages were waterboarded. SPecifically how many times.

    They are freely today admitting thier crimes and mocking the victims, boasting about it. I feel no empathy for thier plight.
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    Re: Final insult of Qaeda clowns

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Please list the times and dates these savages were waterboarded. SPecifically how many times.

    They are freely today admitting thier crimes and mocking the victims, boasting about it. I feel no empathy for thier plight.
    Well, I guess that's a start. I seem to recall that in another thread a year or so ago you were denying that waterboarding could be classed as torture. A list of times and dates is neither available nor necessary. Just using pro-torture voices it's possible to get unequivocal admission of the use of torture at Gitmo.
    According to recent information, Osama bin Laden was killed by the use of information that was obtained by “enhanced interrogation techniques” at Guntanamo Bay Prison... “Enhanced interrogation techniques” can be assumed to be waterboarding, or some other form of torture.

    Bin Laden caught through waterboarding - RedState


    Jose Rodriguez, the former head of the CIA's Counterterrorist Center, has acknowledged that waterboarding - an interrogation technique that simulates drowning - is "not a pretty sight".

    Mr Rodriguez ordered the destruction of secret CIA video tapes of the process, which Newsnight's Peter Taylor has revealed contained footage of one al-Qaeda suspect "vomiting and screaming".

    CIA: Waterboarding not a pretty sight


    So yeah, I stand by my claim that AQ prisoners were tortured at Gitmo. Whether these particular defendants confessed to the crimes with which they are charged under torture, I cannot claim definitively. Were they to be allowed proper defence counsel and the court forced to operate proper disclosure, I'm sure that would be revealed.
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