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Congress' intelligence heads: Taliban stronger

Navy Pride said:
The question begs to be asked "Is Hussein Obama losing the war in Afhanistan by not listening to his Cdrs in the field?"


Congress' intelligence heads: Taliban stronger - Yahoo! News

WASHINGTON (AP) — The leaders of the congressional committees said Sunday they believed that the Taliban had grown stronger since President Barack Obama sent 33,000 more U.S. troops to Afghanistan in 2010.
The pessimistic report by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., challenges Obama's own assessment last week in his visit to Kabul that the "tide had turned" and that "we broke the Taliban's momentum."
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We were pretty successful in Iraq because Bush laid out the course of action, got the Iraqis to drop their differences (for the most part) and all Obama had to do was follow the plan. Afghanistan is different. Bush didn't leave Office with a course of action laid out. As a result, Obama...who has no ability in foreign policy and no good advisors...has been quite deficient in working out a good solution. Such is the nature of Obama.

I think the best thing we can do is cut and run. The problem is...within a year, the Taliban will be back in power...in two years, Al Qaeda will be back in business there. In five years, we'll have another terrorist attack on our soil.

That's our reward for electing Obama.
 
muciti said:
yea **** the helpless and the needy and the suffering! worry about yourselves! the world will be better if people stopped caring. survival of the fittest! let the weak die hungry and helpless!

Oh wait. But here in the US give everything to the needy because is the right thing to do. ****ing hypocrite.
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Hey hey, there are 45 million Americans out of work who I´d feed for LONG before I paid for some person who´s never even seen a dollar bill. Call it patriotism. Call it hypocrisy. I don´t believe everyone in this planet is equal. Americans first. **** everyone else.


... Wait.... are you an American?
 
muciti said:
Thats the attitude! **** the poor and helpless. I think that we need more consistency. If the rich are required to care for the poor here and so many liberals and democrats actively fight for that, then the rich (US) should be helping the poor (much of the rest of the world) as well. Consistency. One or the other. People are people. people don't stop being people at the US border. Thinking that just because a person is different from you they dont deserve to be helped when they are down is horrible. Americans are not the only people who deserve to eat and live.
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I don't care about the world's poor and helpless, I care about OUR poor and helpless. Tell you what. Once we eliminate poverty from America, we can start to worry about poverty other places.

And it has little to do with who deserves help and who doesn't. But rather that we cannot solve the world's problems for them and there are some things they'll have to do on their own as there are things we need to do on our own. Americans are not the only people who deserve to eat and live; but until ALL Americans CAN eat and live, I am going to place larger emphasis on fixing our own problems before addressing the problems of everyone else.
 
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Hatuey said:
Hey hey, there are 45 million Americans out of work who I´d feed for LONG before I paid for some person who´s never even seen a dollar bill. Call it patriotism. Call it hypocrisy. I don´t believe everyone in this planet is equal. Americans first. **** everyone else.


... Wait.... are you an American?
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That is hypocrisy. It is sad that you'd want to see so many suffer. You are why there are so many problems in our world. You are the reason why we are not moving toward unity.
 
Navy Pride said:
Its the problem of the troops there when Hussein Obama did not send the 50,000 troops the Cdrs in the field requested and many of them died.....That was just to appease the left in his party.......so very sad.
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Whats the point? What is it worth?
 
Hatuey said:
Hey hey, there are 45 million Americans out of work who I´d feed for LONG before I paid for some person who´s never even seen a dollar bill. Call it patriotism. Call it hypocrisy. I don´t believe everyone in this planet is equal. Americans first. **** everyone else.


... Wait.... are you an American?
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Let me ask you this. Are you also in support of the wealthy only taking care of their own? How about white people only supporting themselves? Straight people?
 
Navy Pride said:
You lefties always want to cut and run....You did it in Nam when we could have won that war and your doing it now....
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Nam was pointless. Who knows if we could of won. The war could of been bigger. We were fighting a enemy that never gave up, and would of thrown person after person after us.
The war was a complete idiotic thing to. If we lost remember what was going to happen all of Asia would be communist, then the Philapeans, then Australia. What happened? Nothing? So dont blame this on some cheap "its the lefties fault". Because no one gives a ****, it was a pointless expensive war that cost millions of lifes, and was not our place to begin with.

.......Oh and telling the enemy when you are leaving is one of the most stupid things Hussein Obama has done.....
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Bush told Iraq we were going to leave... Where was your outrage then? Oh yea your a hack if he had a R next to his name you dont care....
 
muciti said:
Let me ask you this. Are you also in support of the wealthy only taking care of their own? How about white people only supporting themselves? Straight people?
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I didn´t know the wealthy were a nationality and held allegiance to rich history and rich culture and rich people. If they do, then we should pass a law that´ll ship them away to Richlandia while we keep their AMERICAN dollars. Wait, your ENTIRE suggestion is simply ridiculous because you´re discussing bull**** and I´m discussing the very real social obligations every American has to HIS people before any other.
 
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muciti said:
Let me ask you this. Are you also in support of the wealthy only taking care of their own? How about white people only supporting themselves? Straight people?
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I would suggest that Americans take care of their own before they "take care" of others.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Nam was pointless. Who knows if we could of won. The war could of been bigger. We were fighting a enemy that never gave up, and would of thrown person after person after us.
The war was a complete idiotic thing to. If we lost remember what was going to happen all of Asia would be communist, then the Philapeans, then Australia. What happened? Nothing? So dont blame this on some cheap "its the lefties fault". Because no one gives a ****, it was a pointless expensive war that cost millions of lifes, and was not our place to begin with.






Bush told Iraq we were going to leave... Where was your outrage then? Oh yea your a hack if he had a R next to his name you dont care....
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1. You do know that the war in Nam was started and escalated by democrat presidents right? You do know that the Korean war was started by a democrat?

2. when we left Iraq we had a democratic government.........We had a military who could defend themselves.........Hardly the case with Afghanistan my left wing friend.
 
muciti said:
Let me ask you this. Are you also in support of the wealthy only taking care of their own? How about white people only supporting themselves? Straight people?
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So, are you for helping foreigners before Americans?

I'm not really seeing the problem with using American money to help Americans first. It's not saying we won't help ANYONE else (At least I'm not saying that), it's just putting Americans at the priority.
 
Navy Pride said:
1. You do know that the war in Nam was started and escalated by democrat presidents right? You do know that the Korean war was started by a democrat?
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Actually the Korean war was started when North Korea invaded South Korea. Are you saying we should have not gotten involved with that?

Navy Pride said:
2. when we left Iraq we had a democratic government.........We had a military who could defend themselves.........Hardly the case with Afghanistan my left wing friend.
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That is simply false, there was sectarian violence occuring, hardly a nice peaceful democracy.
 
Redress said:
You did specify me. I am a lefty. When you get your facts right, I won't correct you. That does not seem likely to happen any time soon.
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Well the only people standing outside the gate protesting at PSNS Bremerton when I came back from a 10 month deployment aboard the USS SACRAMENTO (AOE-1) and shouting how many babies did you kill today and trying to spit on the sailors (they never got close enough to hit us with their spit or they would probably be dead if they had) were left wingers, communists using the left wingers and other so called dissident groups.... Of course not all lefties felt that way but these people represented them and I heard no lefties at the time denouncing there traitorous actions.
 
Navy Pride said:
Well the only people standing outside the gate protesting at PSNS Bremerton when I came back from a 10 month deployment aboard the USS SACRAMENTO (AOE-1) and shouting how many babies did you kill today and trying to spit on the sailors (they never got close enough to hit us with their spit or they would probably be dead if they had) were left wingers, communists using the left wingers and other so called dissident groups.... Of course not all lefties felt that way but these people represented them and I heard no lefties at the time denouncing there traitorous actions.
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Navy, according to you, every one is a left winger. Your personal experiences viewed through your myopic eye is worthless.
 
Hatuey said:
I didn´t know the wealthy were a nationality and held allegiance to rich history and rich culture and rich people. If they do, then we should pass a law that´ll ship them away to Richlandia while we keep their AMERICAN dollars. Wait, your ENTIRE suggestion is simply ridiculous because you´re discussing bull**** and I´m discussing the very real social obligations every American has to HIS people before any other.
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Its not just about country. Thats just a line you are drawing. You can draw all kinds of lines to keep people segregated. Fact of the matter is you should either support helping those in need or you should support not helping them. You cant be all for forcing some people to help the needy but against forcing others. It is hypocritical.
 
Navy Pride said:
1. You do know that the war in Nam was started and escalated by democrat presidents right?
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Yea whats your point? Still no matter who is president you would still blame it on the lefties, no matter what happens.

You do know that the Korean war was started by a democrat?
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Yea whats your point?


2. when we left Iraq we had a democratic government.........We had a military who could defend themselves.........Hardly the case with Afghanistan my left wing friend.
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Wahhh are you kidding me? Sectarian violence. Suicide bombings weekly. Terrorist heaven over there now. One of the most corrupt governments in the region.
 
TheNextEra said:
Actually the Korean war was started when North Korea invaded South Korea. Are you saying we should have not gotten involved with that?




That is simply false, there was sectarian violence occuring, hardly a nice peaceful democracy.
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1. Probasbly before your time but President Truman a democrat sent troops to Korea......

2. Its not a perfect government but its a hell of a lot better then it was under Hussein Obama, whoops I meant Saddam Hussein and his sons who killed thousands of his own people, and its a hell of a lot better then Afghanistan even a far left guy like you has to admit that...We are leaving Afghanistan ant its total cayous....
 
Navy Pride said:
2. Its not a perfect government but its a hell of a lot better then it was under Hussein Obama, whoops I meant Saddam Hussein and his sons who killed thousands of his own people, and its a hell of a lot better then Afghanistan even a far left guy like you has to admit that...We are leaving Afghanistan ant its total cayous....
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And you wonder why no one takes your posts seriously.......
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Yea whats your point? Still no matter who is president you would still blame it on the lefties, no matter what happens.


Yea whats your point?





Wahhh are you kidding me? Sectarian violence. Suicide bombings weekly. Terrorist heaven over there now. One of the most corrupt governments in the region.
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1. I am pointing out that Democrats love to start wars and when the going gets tough they want to cut and run.

2. see my last post on that talking point.....
 
Navy Pride said:
1. Probasbly before your time but President Truman a democrat sent troops to Korea......
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Clinton bombed the ever living **** out of countries too; doesn't make it right. Just goes to demonstrate that right or left, you get pretty much the same thing either way.
 
Redress said:
And you wonder why no one takes your posts seriously.......
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The people that count take me seriously....The rest of you lefties I could care less

Like I said the Gov. in Iraq is not perfect but its a hell of a lot better then it was under Saddam Hussein and a thousand times better the Afganistan..
 
Navy Pride said:
1. Probasbly before your time but President Truman a democrat sent troops to Korea......
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And the Korean war itself was started by North Korea. Again I ask, do you think we should not have gotten involved or done anything?

Navy Pride said:
2. Its not a perfect government but its a hell of a lot better then it was under Hussein Obama, whoops I meant Saddam Hussein and his sons who killed thousands of his own people, and its a hell of a lot better then Afghanistan even a far left guy like you has to admit that...We are leaving Afghanistan ant its total cayous....
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Sorry Navy, but when the result is the sides switching and the other side taking revenge on the other, I don't call that better. The only difference is the people Sadaam slaughtered, starting slaughtering the other side.

As for Afghanistan, that is a different situation than Iraq is/was. Whole different ballgame there. Also remember that Afghanistan got WORSE under Bush. Hence the need for a "surge".
 
TheNextEra said:
So, are you for helping foreigners before Americans?

I'm not really seeing the problem with using American money to help Americans first. It's not saying we won't help ANYONE else (At least I'm not saying that), it's just putting Americans at the priority.
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If someone is suffering, you help them. When you have a regime mass slaughtering millions vs an american who has stand in line for a free lunch the choice should be made to help the millions dying vs the the people who are inconvienced by the hand outs they are receiving. Given the resources our country (and other wealthy nations) have there is no reason why it is a choice of either/or.

It's not saying we won't help ANYONE else (At least I'm not saying that)
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To quote hatuey,
**** everyone else.
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I am about helping the poor around the world and here in America. Everyone in the world should have a basic standard of living. Just because a person is closer to being the same as you than someone else does not make them more important. Today's world is segregated by hatred and uncaring for people who are different. Only caring about Americans is no better than only caring about whites. Or only caring about Christians. ect.
 
Ikari said:
Clinton bombed the ever living **** out of countries too; doesn't make it right. Just goes to demonstrate that right or left, you get pretty much the same thing either way.
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:rofl Clinton bombed empty asprin factories.............
 
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