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    Re: Only 115,000 jobs added in April; unemployment rate dips to 8.1 percent

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    I'm one of those "right wingers" who realizes that the government won't solve our problems.

    Private enterprise is solving the real problem by moving jobs to China as fast as possible.

    Once blue collar workers are willing to accept jobs paying 30 to 40 percent less, some of those jobs might come back to America.
    hahaha, no they wont. China will just devalue their currency by 30-40% more....

    *cracks whip* ....boy

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    Re: Only 115,000 jobs added in April; unemployment rate dips to 8.1 percent

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You know - this whole thing has me stumped.


    If it's been, what, 4 or 5 years of this unemployment spiral. . . and we've only regained a small portion of the jobs that were once lost - what about those who weren't even *of age* when things bottomed out: what are they doing?

    Aside that those who are unemployed aren't finding employment . . . what are these 'new people' to the employment circles doing at age 22 / 26 (etc)

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    Re: Only 115,000 jobs added in April; unemployment rate dips to 8.1 percent

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post


    Resources being finite and having alternative potential uses, your post is Comprehension Fail.


    Let me put it this way: let us say that in your gas tank, you put gasoline as prescribed by law, but also butter.
    Why would you put butter in the gas tank?

    Now, let us pretend that your can can survive and run with the butter occasionally squirting through the pipes,
    OMG that makes no sense at all

    but only so long as it remains below a certain critical mass.
    Is the butter radioactive?

    Regardless of the cars' continued function,
    And only God knows what it is

    it's efficiency will degrade as you increase the portion of the gas tank that you fill with butter, and its' efficiency will increase on the inverse.
    Well if it's radioactive you might blow up too if you add too much radioactive butter.

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    Re: Only 115,000 jobs added in April; unemployment rate dips to 8.1 percent

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    Reducing the amount of government spending does not equate to an increase in private sector investment.
    Good point. Since government derives it's wealth from magical money trees instead of removing it from the private sector in forms of taxation, borrowing, or inflation, wealth that the government does not spend will instead remain in the form of Golden Apples on the White House Lawn.

    Companies have to believe that boosting their productive capacities will equate to greater sales, and therefore revenue. As it stands, investors are paying a premium (meaning negative yields) to ensure their returns are guaranteed.
    depends on where they are at. Treasuries dipped net negative there for a while I think at the height of the crisis - and they probably will again when Southern Europe starts to slide and collapse. Certainly money-markets, cd's, and the like are below inflation, but then, that's not exactly where investors are storing all of their wealth.

    So do tell! Why would an investor be willing to accept a negative return when they can move their investments into industries that are far more productive (not that i expect you to be able to answer it objectively)?
    Well, the willingness of investors to accept little to no return for security is not infinite. If an investor is willing to accept a real rate of return of (say) 0%, that does not mean that he will necessarily accept a real rate of return of -3%. Government debt being resources allocated to those portions of investment considered to be safest (though perhaps less since we got downgraded), those resources in the absence of being absorbed by government debt would be absorbed by the another investment considered to be on - par with the safety-for-return ratio. Except that this resultant increase in investment would push down return, thereby decreasing the investors willing to stay in it - pushing them on to the next higher level, which will degrade that return, and so on and so forth back up the pyramid.


    Think of it as a pyramid of water, with the top couple of layers empty. The way to fill them is to simply push the water up out of the bottom layer.

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    Re: Only 115,000 jobs added in April; unemployment rate dips to 8.1 percent

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well, the willingness of investors to accept little to no return for security is not infinite. If an investor is willing to accept a real rate of return of (say) 0%, that does not mean that he will necessarily accept a real rate of return of -3%. Government debt being resources allocated to those portions of investment considered to be safest (though perhaps less since we got downgraded)
    The last TIPS auction (5 year) resulted in a yield of -1.08%.

    those resources in the absence of being absorbed by government debt would be absorbed by the another investment considered to be on - par with the safety-for-return ratio.
    Nope! It simply does not work like that. To base an argument around the notion of capital flowing as though it were in a vacuum displays naivety. In the absence of federal debt, and given our current economic situation (liquidity trap), we could expect excess investment capital to act as a catalyst to push interest rates down even further.

    Remember, there is no instances of public debt crowding out private investment. If there were, we would be able to observe a rather dramatic increase in investment grade corporate debt yields.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Only 115,000 jobs added in April; unemployment rate dips to 8.1 percent

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    The last TIPS auction (5 year) resulted in a yield of -1.08%.
    ah. I haven't been watching TIPS. Is that based off of current or projected inflation?

    Nope! It simply does not work like that. To base an argument around the notion of capital flowing as though it were in a vacuum displays naivety.

    I know, I know, I keep forgetting... the magic money trees. I know.

    In the absence of federal debt, and given our current economic situation (liquidity trap), we could expect excess investment capital to act as a catalyst to push interest rates down even further.
    really? goodness. that sounds almost exactly what I said up above.

    absent the purchase of government debt, that capital will move instead to the private sector. investors around the world may be currently in a lower-risk posture, but they're not storing their cash in coin in a silo a'la Scrooge McDuck.

    Remember, there is no instances of public debt crowding out private investment.


    If there were, we would be able to observe a rather dramatic increase in investment grade corporate debt yields.
    Unless of course the flood into government debt was part of a general flight-to-safety

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    Re: Only 115,000 jobs added in April; unemployment rate dips to 8.1 percent

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    If Liberals are lucky, Romney can win, and when the house of cards fall, they can blame it on him.
    You just cited everything that is wrong with our government. Its all about how badly we can **** over the American people and who we can blame it on to get reelected. Viva

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    Re: Only 115,000 jobs added in April; unemployment rate dips to 8.1 percent

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You just cited everything that is wrong with our government. Its all about how badly we can **** over the American people and who we can blame it on to get reelected. Viva
    I know. It is very sad. I want more parties involved in the process so it isn't so partisan.
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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    Re: Only 115,000 jobs added in April; unemployment rate dips to 8.1 percent

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ah. I haven't been watching TIPS. Is that based off of current or projected inflation?


    Really?

    absent the purchase of government debt, that capital will move instead to the private sector.
    No, it will sit in reserves or in various money markets. With out a mechanism to put a hard floor to interest rates, they will move about as close to zero as one can imagine.

    investors around the world may be currently in a lower-risk posture, but they're not storing their cash in coin in a silo a'la Scrooge McDuck.
    Which is a clear signal that government is not crowding out private investment.

    Unless of course the flood into government debt was part of a general flight-to-safety
    You obviously do not understand what crowding out entails; from financial analysis of interest rates to end user investment sentiment, you really have no argument what-so-ever. Crowding out refers to expansionary fiscal policy that results in a rise in the real interest rate without an equilibrium increase that results in real output gains. When you begin to understand why a liquidity trap cannot be confused for crowding out, maybe then (and only then) you will be capable of having this discussion.

    Until then....
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Only 115,000 jobs added in April; unemployment rate dips to 8.1 percent

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    "Stimulus" was supposed to create private sector jobs. That's how Obama sold it. Not keep bloated state and federal governemnt payrolls intact.
    Firefighters, teachers and cops are bloated state payrolls? You do realize that the amount to federal agencies was really quite low?

    He's either a liar, or a most incompetent jackass. As was the Democrat Congress that hoisted this giant turd on us.
    Okay, want to tell me how letting demand go off the cliff is good for the economy and jobs? Or will you cowardly flee from that like everyone before you?

    I say that they are both liars and incompetent jackasses. And that those that support them do not care just so long as they get the gubmit teat to suckle.
    It's funny watching people like you complain about getting a tax cut.
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