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Government fund pays to spay stray animals in order to fight human obesity.

MoSurveyor said:
And the same can be said for conservatives. No one gets off this hook because all politicians and all groups do the same thing. "We all know" it's for the health of the women that they need an internal, invasive scan before getting an abortion, right? :roll: Who doesn't see through that kind of crap? Or are conservatives so blind they honestly can't see it when it favors their position?


Ed:
And isn't it conservatives who are always screaming "put it in the hands of the State"? Well, this is what sometimes happens when locals decide how money is to be spent.
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More than likely nobody would've even though of it at the state level if the feds didn't show up with a goody bag full of excess cash.
 
MoSurveyor said:
And the same can be said for conservatives. No one gets off this hook because all politicians and all groups do the same thing. "We all know" it's for the health of the women that they need an internal, invasive scan before getting an abortion, right? :roll: Who doesn't see through that kind of crap? Or are conservatives so blind they honestly can't see it when it favors their position?


Ed:
And isn't it conservatives who are always screaming "put it in the hands of the State"? Well, this is what sometimes happens when locals decide how money is to be spent.
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Yeppers...leave it up to the local liberals to find a way to steal the nation's taxpayer's dollars to pay for something that should be payed for by the local citizens.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Below is a recent article from the washington examiner where a federal health program targeting obesity paid for city wide spays for stray animals because they discourage people from working out. The article didn't mention how much was actually spent on the spaying itself, just that it was part of a 7.5 million dollar slushfund.

I think when we're spending so frivolously on such ridiculous things, asking america for more money is not the answer.

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And if the Feds had been directly involved in this stupid plot I would agree - but they weren't. The money was handed off to local officials to use as they saw fit and some local politician with a personal agenda made up some lame logic to use it this way. It could just as easily been a conservative agenda being met instead of what some people call a liberal agenda. (Cephus is right, shooting stray dogs would be better and cheaper.) This kind of thing is going to happen on occasion regardless of how diligent we are and, before you say it, the same kind of thing happens in business as well.

People with power are given discretion on how to use money and sometimes they use it to promote a personal agenda. Should we stop the delegation of authority? Honestly, I don't see how government or industry can function without it. The best we can do is create an environment where such misuse is minimized.


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RabidAlpaca said:
More than likely nobody would've even though of it at the state level if the feds didn't show up with a goody bag full of excess cash.
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Hopefully this post addressed that concern.
 
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Mycroft said:
Yeppers...leave it up to the local liberals to find a way to steal the nation's taxpayer's dollars to pay for something that should be payed for by the local citizens.
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Like conservatives would NEVER do such a thing. :lamo

Both sides play the system.
 
MoSurveyor said:
Like conservatives would NEVER do such a thing. :lamo

Both sides play the system.
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shrug...

If you have an example, then by all means...trot it out. But do it in another thread, please.

In the meantime, it would be nice if you had something cogent to say about THIS topic...other than "but the conservative do it too".
 
Mycroft said:
shrug...

If you have an example, then by all means...trot it out. But do it in another thread, please.

In the meantime, it would be nice if you had something cogent to say about THIS topic...other than "but the conservative do it too".
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Since you were pointing the finger at liberals, and since you're a self-professed conservative, I pointed out in response to your posts that conservatives also engage in this type of behavior.

But if you read post #28 I assert this type of incident is a result of delegation of authority. All of government (with all political parties included) and most institutions - including private businesses - in America use delegation of authority to get things done. On occasion someone will use that authority for a personal agenda, often invoking a somewhat outlandish chain of reasoning to justify it. That's not being partisan, that's being honest. It's what sometimes happens from the way our control system is structured.
 
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MoSurveyor said:
And if the Feds had been directly involved in this stupid plot I would agree - but they weren't. The money was handed off to local officials to use as they saw fit and some local politician with a personal agenda made up some lame logic to use it this way. It could just as easily been a conservative agenda being met instead of what some people call a liberal agenda. (Cephus is right, shooting stray dogs would be better and cheaper.) This kind of thing is going to happen on occasion regardless of how diligent we are and, before you say it, the same kind of thing happens in business as well.
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When it comes to big government and big spending, the republicans and democrats are both absolutely horrifyingly terrible, so this statement means nothing to me. I never called it a liberal agenda.

MoSurveyor said:
People with power are given discretion on how to use money and sometimes they use it to promote a personal agenda. Should we stop the delegation of authority? Honestly, I don't see how government or industry can function without it. The best we can do is create an environment where such misuse is minimized.
Ed:
Hopefully this post addressed that concern.
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Yes, but this still goes back to what I said before:
"More than likely nobody would've even though of it at the state level if the feds didn't show up with a goody bag full of excess cash."
When the government has to be accountable for the cash they have, and they have a limited, well audited budget, they must use that little tiny voice of reason in the back of their heads to prioritize the needs of the people. When that is done, stupid little crap like this will inevitably fall off.

I was a government employee for 7 years, and it was absolutely horrifying to see the fraud, waste, and abuse of millions on a daily basis. The entire government is run on the principle of: "If your agency doesn't use it this year, your budget will shrink next year."
This mentality makes all of the agencies scramble at the end of the fiscal year to blow millions and millions on stupid sh!t they don't need. No successful business would ever run this way. All of this happens while we demand more cash from the rich to fix the problems.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
When it comes to big government and big spending, the republicans and democrats are both absolutely horrifyingly terrible, so this statement means nothing to me. I never called it a liberal agenda.
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When you write a post attacking a given situation and the link is titled "Obama anti-obesity" I tend to believe you're inciting partisanship. If that wasn't your intent then something like "Nashville officials fall off deep end" would have been better.

RabidAlpaca said:
Yes, but this still goes back to what I said before:
"More than likely nobody would've even though of it at the state level if the feds didn't show up with a goody bag full of excess cash."
When the government has to be accountable for the cash they have, and they have a limited, well audited budget, they must use that little tiny voice of reason in the back of their heads to prioritize the needs of the people. When that is done, stupid little crap like this will inevitably fall off.

I was a government employee for 7 years, and it was absolutely horrifying to see the fraud, waste, and abuse of millions on a daily basis. The entire government is run on the principle of: "If your agency doesn't use it this year, your budget will shrink next year."
This mentality makes all of the agencies scramble at the end of the fiscal year to blow millions and millions on stupid sh!t they don't need. No successful business would ever run this way. All of this happens while we demand more cash from the rich to fix the problems.
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It's sad you ruined such a good post with a class warfare statement at the end. :(

I, too, have seen government departments spend money on rather odd things rather than lose money the following year. Part of that is government bean-counters not allowing the excess to carry over - and I've never been able to figure out why they won't allow that. The other part is "protecting the kingdom" and I've seen the same in business. Business managers just tend to be more sneaky about it. But, overall, I agree with your basic assessment of government funds and how they should be treated - smart and rational.

Unfortunately, the growing partisan divide is making that an uphill battle. Knowing that programs can be completely striped away in one or two years with a change of majority and subsequent stroke of a Congressional pen, bureaucrats are even more inclined to leave nothing behind for the next guy or the next cause or the next program. We want bureaucrats to be reasonable in the middle what they see as a war zone, and that's just not going to happen. Maybe the best thing for us to do is invite the DCFD to come in and hose down Congress while they're in session. That might wake those idiots up. The only other way is to vote them all out, but that won't happen, either. It's the nature of the beast that <my> Congressman is being reasonable, it's everyone else's that off their rocker. *sigh*
 
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Government fund pays to spay stray animals in order to fight human obesity.
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Another good reminder of some of the most frightening words ever spoken:

"We're from the government, and we're here to help."
 
MoSurveyor said:
When you write a post attacking a given situation and the link is titled "Obama anti-obesity" I tend to believe you're inciting partisanship. If that wasn't your intent then something like "Nashville officials fall off deep end" would have been better.
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I simply posted the URL, DB must've renamed it based on something from the article.
MoSurveyor said:
It's sad you ruined such a good post with a class warfare statement at the end. :(
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It's not class warfare, it's simple economics. If you have an out of control teenager with a credit card spending her way into a catastrophe, it's time to cut up the credit card and start teaching her responsible financial procedures, not throwing more money at it.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Reducing the number of feral packs in a city is a positive, isn't it?
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Nothing wrong with spaying feral animals.However claiming that it is to help curb obesity is idiotic and will turn people away from a good cause and public safety issue.
 
Only way this makes sense is if they fed flabby guys animal testicles.
 
Cephus said:
Are you saying that the boxer wouldn't have attacked if he had been fixed? That's absurd. The only way to stop feral dog attacks, which are hardly common anyhow, is to remove the feral dogs entirely. Spaying them won't make a difference. Go out and shoot them. But no... that would be unpopular with the public so they don't even try.
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I'm in favor with it. I would like to call it Cur Culling Day. Have one day in the year that everyone who wants to to hunt for stray dogs and kill them.
 
Shadow Serious said:
I'm in favor with it. I would like to call it Cur Culling Day. Have one day in the year that everyone who wants to to hunt for stray dogs and kill them.
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I really don't get the idea of catching them, fixing them and letting them go. You caught them! Deal with them already!
 
Seems like you should quote someone then instead of addressing the entire thread.
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Yes, you are correct. Because the corruption issue immediately preceded my post, and because you are the OP, I assumed you would make the connection. My mistake, I'll do better in the future.

It's this very attitude that is the cause of the problem. They're nickel and diming us to death. 7.5 million may be a drop in the bucket to us comparatively, but this isn't an isolated incident. You have to realize there are thousands, and thousands and thousands of such instances where this kind of waste takes place. And you have to remember, this was for only ONE city!
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Each citizen, each community, each city, each county, each state always looks out for number one - themselves. I refer you to Ron Paul who proudly goes for earmarks for his state despite his personal disgust with Federal intervention and spending. It's natural to spend locally, not globally. I wish MY city had gotten the money instead.

I guess that's your problem, you refer to our political system as two parties and consider there is no alternative. The libertarian party has plenty of solutions, you just don't care to hear them. Hell, Ron Paul has been screaming about drastically reducing the deficit for well over a decade now, and this is exactly why he doesn't belong in the republican party, he's a black sheep.

Next election we can vote for the socialist left (Dems) or the socialist right (GOP), or we can go for an alternative that actually will try to make real cuts to our deficit
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Yup, that's pretty much it. It may (or not) comfort you to know that I am a Ron Paul supporter, albeit for reasons that might differ from yours. The problem IMHO isn't the socialism, it's the corruption (although I didn't find that relevant to TNR programs). I would love to see a very different America, loosened fro the Federal yoke. I don't speak of RP much here because I'm also a member of another board where RP get plenty of lovin'.
 
That was my (unanswered) question earlier in the thread. I've never heard of TNR for dogs. Cats, yes, I'm involved with that oersonally and cats rarely injure humans and they do participate in rodent control. So, I find the whole claim a bit spurious but I'm not in a position to judge at a distance.

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Cephus said:
I really don't get the idea of catching them, fixing them and letting them go. You caught them! Deal with them already!
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Our leaders should be spayed.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I simply posted the URL, DB must've renamed it based on something from the article.
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I guess I can see that. The first few times I linked something I was kind of surprised at the outcome. I just figured most people checked before they posted. *shrug*

RabidAlpaca said:
It's not class warfare, it's simple economics. If you have an out of control teenager with a credit card spending her way into a catastrophe, it's time to cut up the credit card and start teaching her responsible financial procedures, not throwing more money at it.
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It wasn't the tax part (though I don't agree with that short-term) - but "from the rich" is plainly a class-specific comment.

Ed:
Eh, doesn't matter I guess. We both agree things need to change. Hopefully we both agree that Congress needs to get it's collective uh "self" together and move forward instead of rowing in circles.
 
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