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    Re: Government fund pays to spay stray animals in order to fight human obesity.

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I'm also saying that this type of wasteful spending is hardly important when compared with the billion dollar boondoggles in process.
    Actually, this wasteful spending is the most important. There's no easy fix to our budget problems. The idea that we could solve a trillion dollar deficit with just a handful of cuts is foolish. Both Republicans and Democrats have one-lines about taxing the rich or dissolving the Department of Education, but none of these budgets go very far in dealing with anything. I mean, even if you cut the military in half, that wouldn't solve the problem. And to cut the military in half, it's not like you can just take a knife to it. Individual programs and people would have to be identified and disbanded.

    Ultimately, the only way to get our fiscal house in order is to cut a few million here and a few million there until we can close the deficit.

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    Re: Government fund pays to spay stray animals in order to fight human obesity.

    Usually area's where there is a lot of stray animals running loose are in poor neighborhoods, where I don't think there's too much jogging going on...running from yes, jogging no.
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    Re: Government fund pays to spay stray animals in order to fight human obesity.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Below is a recent article from the washington examiner where a federal health program targeting obesity paid for city wide spays for stray animals because they discourage people from working out. The article didn't mention how much was actually spent on the spaying itself, just that it was part of a 7.5 million dollar slushfund.

    I think when we're spending so frivolously on such ridiculous things, asking america for more money is not the answer.

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    Well - I do know for a fact that strays can be a danger to drivers, children and the elderly in places like my town.

    However - the strays I'm referring to aren't being born *wild* - they're ditched by **** owners who don't want them anymore and they eventually group with other rejects and roam the town scouring for food.

    I've taken in so many over the years - it's hard to find them homes and train them and often they have ailments like parvo and their owners should have justp ut them down.

    I'd like to be able to catch these ****s when they ditch their dogs off and hold them accountable.
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    Re: Government fund pays to spay stray animals in order to fight human obesity.

    But why is TNR (spaying) not important? At least the money is spent domestically and results in an improvement in quality of life. I hate to say it but a million here and a million there doesn't end up being real money in context.

    I'm still waiting for any proposal about getting our fiscal house in order. Both parties intend to spend, spend, spend. It's just different beneficiaries.

    And a related question - have you ever heard of TNR for dogs? I haven't. Cats, yes, certainly but as far as I know with dogs it's off to the pound and the blue juice. THIS IS A REAL QUESTION.


    Quote Originally Posted by Nick2253 View Post
    Actually, this wasteful spending is the most important. There's no easy fix to our budget problems. The idea that we could solve a trillion dollar deficit with just a handful of cuts is foolish. Both Republicans and Democrats have one-lines about taxing the rich or dissolving the Department of Education, but none of these budgets go very far in dealing with anything. I mean, even if you cut the military in half, that wouldn't solve the problem. And to cut the military in half, it's not like you can just take a knife to it. Individual programs and people would have to be identified and disbanded.

    Ultimately, the only way to get our fiscal house in order is to cut a few million here and a few million there until we can close the deficit.

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    Re: Government fund pays to spay stray animals in order to fight human obesity.

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    But why is TNR (spaying) not important? At least the money is spent domestically and results in an improvement in quality of life. I hate to say it but a million here and a million there doesn't end up being real money in context.
    It's all about opportunity cost. If we had unlimited dollars, I'd say go right ahead. But I can thing of at least a hundred better things to do with that money.

    I'm still waiting for any proposal about getting our fiscal house in order. Both parties intend to spend, spend, spend. It's just different beneficiaries.
    A sad state of affairs. But any serious proposal about getting our fiscal house in order will have to deal with a million here and a million there. Once we allow a million dollars, or a hundred million dollars, or even a billions dollars to be "just spare change" then there is no way to get our fiscal house in order. Drastic reforms to military and entitlements can only go so far. Completely cutting the DoD would be insufficient to balance the budget. Ultimately, you have to do it like Clinton did it: a million here and a million there.

    And a related question - have you ever heard of TNR for dogs? I haven't. Cats, yes, certainly but as far as I know with dogs it's off to the pound and the blue juice. THIS IS A REAL QUESTION.
    No, but there's a good reason why. Cats provide a valuable offset against small rodent populations common in urban areas. Dogs, however, are inefficient killers at best, and they really have no appropriate prey, and therefore no appropriate service. Society benefits from feral cats. Dogs, not so much.

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    Re: Government fund pays to spay stray animals in order to fight human obesity.

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    But why is TNR (spaying) not important? At least the money is spent domestically and results in an improvement in quality of life. I hate to say it but a million here and a million there doesn't end up being real money in context.

    I'm still waiting for any proposal about getting our fiscal house in order. Both parties intend to spend, spend, spend. It's just different beneficiaries.

    And a related question - have you ever heard of TNR for dogs? I haven't. Cats, yes, certainly but as far as I know with dogs it's off to the pound and the blue juice. THIS IS A REAL QUESTION.
    First of all, if I read the article correctly, the fund from which this money came is slated to increase to $2 billion, with the additional funds coming from Obamacare. I think it that is a substantial sum of money. As a matter of fact, stating that a million here and a million there "is not real money in context" assumes that this instance is isolated. It is not isolated. Most people would not argue that government waste was not rampant.

    In an economic period of recovery, every penny counts. Things that that are not top priorities ought not to be funded, because there is not enough money to go around.

    As for the spaying or neutering of dogs, that is beside the point. The point is the ridiculous linking the breeding of feral animals to people becoming increasingly fat. Hopefully you will agree that that argument of causality is a bit flawed, or, more likely, intentionally dishonest. Without trying to connect the spaying/neutering to people's fitness, the grant would have had to be rejected.

    Additionally, local governments are able to better identify when they have a feral animal problem, and they are able to expend local funds to combat it. Feral animals are not a federal problem when the economy is thriving. It is especially ridiculous now- even if the grant weren't ridiculously linked to obesity.

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    Re: Government fund pays to spay stray animals in order to fight human obesity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Sometimes is positively amazing what kind of logical contortions liberals will engage in to justify their corruptness.
    The corruptness arises because we have here a group that wants to control animals. Instead of going through the normal processes and getting the money from their citizens, they make up this cock and bull connection between the animals and obesity in order to get money that SHOULD have been spent on an entirely different purpose. It is tantamount to stealing from the nation's taxpayers in order to benefit some local citizens...and virtually lying in their justification.
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    Re: Government fund pays to spay stray animals in order to fight human obesity.

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    That's what I was addressing.
    Seems like you should quote someone then instead of addressing the entire thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I'm also saying that this type of wasteful spending is hardly important when compared with the billion dollar boondoggles in process.
    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    But why is TNR (spaying) not important? At least the money is spent domestically and results in an improvement in quality of life. I hate to say it but a million here and a million there doesn't end up being real money in context.
    It's this very attitude that is the cause of the problem. They're nickle and diming us to death. 7.5 million may be a drop in the bucket to us comparatively, but this isn't an isolated incident. You have to realize there are thousands, and thousands and thousands of such instances where this kind of waste takes place. And you have to remember, this was for only ONE city!

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I'm still waiting for any proposal about getting our fiscal house in order. Both parties intend to spend, spend, spend. It's just different beneficiaries.
    I guess that's your problem, you refer to our political system as two parties and consider there is no alternative. The libertarian party has plenty of solutions, you just don't care to hear them. Hell, Ron Paul has been screaming about drastically reducing the deficit for well over a decade now, and this is exactly why he doesn't belong in the republican party, he's a black sheep.

    Next election we can vote for the socialist left (Dems) or the socialist right (GOP), or we can go for an alternative that actually will try to make real cuts to our deficit.
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    Re: Government fund pays to spay stray animals in order to fight human obesity.

    Reducing the number of feral packs in a city is a positive, isn't it?
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    Re: Government fund pays to spay stray animals in order to fight human obesity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Reducing the number of feral packs in a city is a positive, isn't it?
    Yes - but their logic is silly. . . they could just leave it basic: it's an overall safety concern - stray dogs are a danger to children, etc.

    It's always been that type of safety concern.
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