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May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

Top Cat said:
More stupidity.

Rocks thrown through windows of Mayor Mike McGinn’s home | Seattle Times Newspaper

Rocks thrown through windows of Mayor Mike McGinn’s home

I hope they catch these knuckleheads.
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At the end of the day, in these types of situations, you never know who the knuckleheads might turn out to be. It's not outside the realm of possibility that in addition to carrying rocks, they could be found to be carrying badges.

Yet the local vigilantes are primed to take head shots at any OWS person in the vicinity without any knowledge or proof of who did what, with full knowledge that the OWS is opposed to violence (despite their right wing propaganda trying to link them to it). The hard core right in the country is desperate to rain horrible physical violence down upon those who disagree with them. . . . and this thread is a perfect example of that. It is a reasonable bet that the U.S. is doomed to follow the path of other totalitarian states such as the Soviet Union under Stalin, Germany under Hitler, and Cambodia under Pol Pot (especially the latter, given the right wing hatred of intellectuals). With the Patriot Act, and the para-militarization and pseudo-federalization of the police, all the parts are being laid into place.
 
Harshaw said:
It's only the very first thing you see when the page opens.

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All I see are puppies, kittens, sunsets and pastel colors guys.... where's the fire and violence? [/sarc]

:lamo
 
Eighty Deuce said:
The apologies from the left with this crap is pathetic. In the opinion of many, OWS does enable and foment the direct violent acts as happened in Seattle. [...]
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In the opinion of those who would like to murder them. You'll pardon those of us who do not value the opinion of those who want to murder someone for protesting.
 
Grant said:
If violence and destruction is not a problems for the OWSers then that is what they are personally going to get. Perhaps you can explain your rationalization to them when it happens.
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I'm having a little trouble with your intent; do you mean that if OWS does not disavow violence and destruction then they should be killed?

Or only if OWS participates in violence and destruction they should be killed? (destruction, let's say, includes the capital act of throwing a rock thru a window).
 
Ockham said:
All I see are puppies, kittens, sunsets and pastel colors guys.... where's the fire and violence? [/sarc]

:lamo
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The fire and violence is what is being hurled by the police at the protesters in that photo, who are hiding from the bullets and explosions being hurled at them. You, um, know that, right?

Or is it your argument that if a policeman shoots me while I'm doing him or no one else any harm, I'm the violent one?
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Karl said:
........ Redistribution of wealth, to some extent, is a natural function of a civlized society. It is also something that was championed by the founding fathers ...... .
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Championed ? That's four Pinnochios right there.

“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816
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“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” — James Madison, 4 Annals of Congress 179, 1794
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“I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it.” — Benjamin Franklin

“The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.” — Benjamin Franklin
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You guessed wrong. Way wrong. ;)
 
Karl said:
In the opinion of those who would like to murder them. You'll pardon those of us who do not value the opinion of those who want to murder someone for protesting.
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We'll have to file this with your knowledge of the Founders ... :roll:
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
[...] On another note I read they are throwing bags of feces and urine.. I thought that's what monkeys do.
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Nah, monkeys are probably too smart to believe everything they read.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Championed ? That's four Pinnochios right there. You guessed wrong. Way wrong. ;)
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Oooh, sorry....


"The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. A tax upon house-rents, therefore, would in general fall heaviest upon the rich; and in this sort of inequality there would not, perhaps, be anything very unreasonable. It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."[15] -- Adam Smith in The Wealth of Nations
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"Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1785 [writing from France about France].
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I watched the violence and vandalism In Seattle on the news.....It was total cayous.....In addition to the damage and violence traffic was blocked and pedestrians and motorists were harrassed.......It was a terrible exhibition by the followers of Pelosi, Biden and Hussein Obama.........Totally different from the tea party demonstrators who prostested peacefully................

The sad part is I hear no condemnations from Pelosi, Biden or Hussein Obama.
 
Karl said:
Redistribution of wealth, to some extent, is a natural function of a civlized society. It is also something that was championed by the founding fathers.
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The :bs meter just exploded.

The author of the Constitution, James Madison, didn't and neither did Samuel Adams as well as others.

“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816
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“I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it.” — Benjamin Franklin
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“With respect to the two words ‘general welfare,’ I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.”
-James Madison
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“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” — Benjamin Franklin
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“Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated.”
-Thomas Jefferson
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According to liberal dogma isn't the constitution old and out of date? Then why source the funding fathers?

Even the Pilgrims learned the hard way that redistribution of wealth/property only removes incentive and reduces production.
 
Karl said:
Oooh, sorry....
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For Chrissakes. Adam Smith is a Scottish philosopher. Is he one of your Founders ? What other Founders do you have that the rest of us never heard about ?

And Jefferson addressed taxation. Not redistribution. Jefferson was against redistribution.

Got any more Founders who were "champions of redistribution" ?
 
I would say the majority of people who want redistribution of wealth are people who do not work for a living. I still remember Hussein Obama telling Joe the Plumer that redistribution of wealth is a good thing...
 
Navy Pride said:
I would say the majority of people who want redistribution of wealth are people who do not work for a living. I still remember Hussein Obama telling Joe the Plumer that redistribution of wealth is a good thing...
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Yes, so do I, and I remember people calling it Marxism instead of the endorsement of the graduated income tax that it was.
 
Karl said:
Or is it your argument that if a policeman shoots me while I'm doing him or no one else any harm, I'm the violent one?
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What in my prior posts about puppies and kittens would lead any reasonable person to think I'm making an argument? :lamo

Are you in the picture?
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060452496 said:
The :bs meter just exploded. [...]
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Well, you should have wiped the detritus off your screen before posting, for your Mini-Me beat you to it on the quotes (see post #232).
 
Eighty Deuce said:
[...] And Jefferson addressed taxation. Not redistribution. Jefferson was against redistribution.
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So, progressive taxation is not a form of wealth redistribution? Quick, to the GOP printing presses!!! -- the talking points must be revised post haste! :shock:

Eighty Deuce said:
For Chrissakes. Adam Smith is a Scottish philosopher. Is he one of your Founders ? What other Founders do you have that the rest of us never heard about ?
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Thomas Jefferson, writing to John Norvell on 14 June 1807, claimed that on "the subjects of money & commerce, Smith's Wealth of Nations is the best book to be read [....]

The Wealth of Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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This debate thing is not going well at all for you, is it? :lamo
 
Ockham said:
What in my prior posts about puppies and kittens would lead any reasonable person to think I'm making an argument? :lamo Are you in the picture?
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I assumed that even troll posts were trying to advance an argument. Are you saying I should have made an exception with respect to yours?
 
mtlhdtodd said:
Your support for anarchy and lawlessness is duly noted.

These guys need their sticks taken from them and it shoved up their ass.
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I looked at Mapquest and found that Federal Bay is a suburb of Seattle. You had your opportunity, so let me ask just how many sticks did you shove shove up these protester's a**es?
 
Ikari said:
Guerrilla Warfare. How a lesser armed, indigenous people can beat a superior invasion force. We're the original.
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Americans are the original? Hardly. And no American wrote the book either.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. Romney stop cronyism. Whew, that was rich. No, neither Obama nor Romney will stop this.
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Romney, like Obama, has been involved in crony capitalism while in government? Do you have evidence of this?

So no one will stop OWS? You feel that there are enough people involved in this to overthrow the American government?
 
Ikari said:
The government has been asking for a bit of the ol' ultraviolence for some time now. Bought time it starts receiving it.
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Yes, it seems a lot of people are turning on Barrack Obama.
 
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