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May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

tessaesque said:
And yet still not the same as destroying the private property of multiple individuals in no way involved in the issues they're so ardently fighting against. EIC had a direct connection to the issues with Britain, Joe Blow's car or the Subway store front owned by a small-business franchisee have nothing to do with the OWS cause, assuming they even know what their cause really is.

Methinks you don't understand the philosophy behind the black bloc.

j-mac said:
Hmmm....We could have boiled it down and just said a communist tactic.

Erm, it's not a communist tactic. It actually sprung out of the anarchist movement and is nowadays closer to insurrectionism than anything else. Most communists hate black bloc anarchists and think that such actions amount to further state crackdowns on various movements. Trotsky's famous article (Edit: Whoops, real famous article is here) is commonly quoted in these instances.
 
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And yet still not the same as destroying the private property of multiple individuals in no way involved in the issues they're so ardently fighting against. [...]
I'm not really sure what you're talking about. For the most part, they seem to be damaging businesses. Large businesses (Nike, mega-banks, etc). So yeah, if they're roaming subdivisions and kicking over lawn furniture and vandalizing mail boxes, then sure, they hate Americans :shrug:

And I'd thought we'd all agreed that they are not part of OWS... or is that ruse still on the table?
 
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Karl said:
And I'd thought we'd all agreed that they are not part of OWS... or is that ruse still on the table?

I'd argue that they're part of OWS, but only because OWS isn't really an organization or even a movement but rather an amalgamation of various different movements, organizations and parties coming together under a single banner/namesake. Which means that pretty much can do anything in the name of OWS.

FWIW, though, I don't think black bloc groups tend to identify with OWS, though I could be wrong. My guess is that they're probably rather hostile to the broader OWS movement.
 
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I'd argue that they're part of OWS, but only because OWS isn't really an organization or even a movement but rather an amalgamation of various different movements, organizations and parties coming together under a single banner/namesake. Which means that pretty much can do anything in the name of OWS.

FWIW, though, I don't think black bloc groups tend to identify with OWS, though I could be wrong. My guess is that they're probably rather hostile to the broader OWS movement.

Sounds like that ruse is still on the table.
 
Erm, it's not a communist tactic. It actually sprung out of the anarchist movement and is nowadays closer to insurrectionism than anything else.

this is nothing new, if it is not a communist tactic, then why use a quasi socialist site to explain it? I give you from their 'about' section...

Viewpoint Magazine is an online review of contemporary politics. Its starting premise is that the history of capitalism is the history of the struggle between capital and the working class. Our task is to articulate the proletarian viewpoint at the level of theory.

Note the Marxist terminology used.

This OWS crap is spurred on by the class warfare of Francis Fox Piven, Unions, Communist (CPUSA), and the gambit of offshoot Van Jones, Geo Soros, Progress America BS. They embrace the Anarchists, in fact call for it.

It is only a couple of props that try to stop it so that a plausible excuse can be given for the tacid approval in this OWS/Progressive/Communist BS parade of the clown brigade.

j-mac
 
this is nothing new, if it is not a communist tactic, then why use a quasi socialist site to explain it? I give you from their 'about' section...

LOL, I just posted an article that discusses the entire history of the black bloc and explains its origins and development as an anarchist tactic. The article ends by criticizing the tactic ffs. And you think that somehow this shows that it's a "communist tactic" because a Marxist publication discussed it?

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

This OWS crap is spurred on by the class warfare of Francis Fox Piven, Unions, Communist (CPUSA), and the gambit of offshoot Van Jones, Geo Soros, Progress America BS. They embrace the Anarchists, in fact call for it.

Love the conspiracist trolling, keep it up.
 
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The overhwhelming majority of protesters are peaceful. The knuckledraggers behind the violence are the same assholes that pulled this stunt at the WTO in Seattle. They are a group of radicals from Eugene. Bet the farm on it.

Really? are they traveling across the country? With all of the reports of rape, violence, vandalism, etc....Yeah, OWS are really just sweet, sweet hippies....


j-mac
 
Really? are they traveling across the country? With all of the reports of rape,
When was the last report of a rape?

violence, vandalism, etc....Yeah, OWS are really just sweet, sweet hippies....


j-mac

Vandalism is violence and black blocs are all over the country bud...
 
When was the last report of a rape?



Vandalism is violence and black blocs are all over the country bud...


Last report of rape? well before the winter crackdown, it's warming up again. Just wait...

As for Black Bloc's....bring it...when the punks that don't have the real balls to confront the police run up against them, we'll see how popular they really are...Socialist tactics disgust real Americans, always will..


j-mac
 
Should he prove a detriment to our rights and liberties and shut the system off to such degree as we cannot control it again, yes.

Who gets to decide?
 
Really? are they traveling across the country? With all of the reports of rape, violence, vandalism, etc....Yeah, OWS are really just sweet, sweet hippies....


j-mac

The anarchists, on the other hand, love tearing things up.
 
Really? are they traveling across the country? With all of the reports of rape, violence, vandalism, etc....Yeah, OWS are really just sweet, sweet hippies....


j-mac

If you have actually paid any attention to the protests, at least the ones in Seattle, it's clear of the MO. The few committing acts of violence are all wearing masks.,Conversely, thousands march peacefully.

But in your view they are all violent rapists.

Got it.
 
I support the right of the People to violently oppose their government should it stop working for them for too long and too grievously infringe upon their rights and liberties. Yes.

And I support the right of the rest of us to slap the living crap out of these stupid liberal jackasses who believe its OK to vandalize and cause mayhem until they get their free stuff.

A pox on all the OWS losers. Parasite filth.
 
Last report of rape? well before the winter crackdown, it's warming up again. Just wait...
And how many of these rapes were there?


As for Black Bloc's....bring it...when the punks that don't have the real balls to confront the police run up against them, we'll see how popular they really are...Socialist tactics disgust real Americans, always will..


j-mac

Too bad (as this was pointed out earlier) this is not a "socialist tactic". Its mainly anarchist....
 
I would expect the government to resist.

screw the government resisting-those assholes in OWS try that in my neighborhood the government's only action is going to be cleaning up the bodies
 
If you have actually paid any attention to the protests, at least the ones in Seattle, it's clear of the MO. The few committing acts of violence are all wearing masks.,Conversely, thousands march peacefully.

But in your view they are all violent rapists.

Got it.

cool-just shoot the ones in the masks
 
Why aren't we cracking their skulls?
 
The tree of liberty must be refreshed with the blood of tyrants and patriots.

And the tree of stupidity must be fertilized with the busted heads of these OWS anarchist scumbags. These punks can't hold the dicks of true patriots.
 
And the tree of stupidity must be fertilized with the busted heads of these OWS anarchist scumbags. These punks can't hold the dicks of true patriots.

Yea!!! MURICA!! Founding fathers=GODS!! Yea!!! MURICA!!!
 
And I support the right of the rest of us to slap the living crap out of these stupid liberal jackasses who believe its OK to vandalize and cause mayhem until they get their free stuff.

A pox on all the OWS losers. Parasite filth.

I support the right of the rest of us to slap the living crap out of them, too.

Except that they're not liberal jackasses nor OWS. They are the ultimate extreme of small government conservatives: anarchists.
 
it's all fun and games until someone gets hurt.... and I sincerely hope no innocent bystanders get hurt.

the OWS folks?... meh, not concerned over whether they get hurt or not... i'm generally not concerned over the welfare of aggressors.


they are unprincipled in their violence, they have no specific goals, targets, or agenda.. they are simply mindlessly lashing out like children.. very dangerous ,and fully grown, children.... they are a threat and should be dealt with accordingly.

I would advice anyone living in an area that has these violent OWS folks at work to arm themselves appropriately, or steer clear of these criminals.... the defense of yourself, your family, and your property are paramount and I wouldn't want to see any innocents get hurt or killed by these children.

as a disclaimer, peaceful OWS are fine with me.. protesting is fine and proper, as per their constitutional and innate rights... their violent brethren are a whole nuther' ball of wax, though.
 
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