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    Re: Infiltrators Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    So for you, there is no possability of a cop being a OWS supporter?
    Nothing???
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    Re: Infiltrators Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    It proves that your earlier contention is either clueless or an attempt to propagandize the clueless:



    Since we have now proven that yes, indeed, it is certainly possible that she could be 'a plant "with a badge" ', and that the Canadian story posted earlier shows that police 'plants' were toting around rocks, are you sure you want to continue with your clueless quest?


    yes, canada, speculation of these cops motives, and you default to the least likely possibility that it's the cops, not blac bloc dirtbags that must all be doing the violence and destruction.

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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Ah, the anarchy symbols. I'd overlooked that, focusing on the black clothes and the bandanas/covered faces -- like that undercover cop in the video.
    And the black flag, etc. etc. etc... so are you suggesting now that #ows wasn't using a picture of blac bloc assholes and instead were using undercover cops? /facepalm




    So, in your estimation, in order to not be obtuse, I must conclude that some black A symbols in the crowd means that all those people were anarchists who were cowering behind barricades while attacking police and throwing explosives at themselves. And that OWS, via an unofficial website, officially condones all this activity, if not outright supporting it -- despite all their non-violent protests in the pasts. And that anybody throwing a rock is not only an OWS member, which we have now determined is the same as a Black Bloc member, and could not possibly be some type of undercover agent, should also be shot in the head (as others here have gleefully suggested).

    To sum up, in conservative circles those conclusions are what is required to be considered intelligent and/or sane and/or patriotic. Well, when I get back from the frontal lobotomy I'll let you know if I can swallow all that . . . . .

    As a libertarian I can't speak to conservative circles, What I can say, is that website which is run by a prominent #ows group, used pictures of blac bloc savages and inflamatory vernacular to send a message. As you can see by attempts to blow up bridges, bags of poo and jars of urine being thrown.... Message received....


    Or will you be suggesting next that cops through a jar of urine at themselves to discredit #ows...
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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Last report of rape? well before the winter crackdown, it's warming up again. Just wait...

    As for Black Bloc's....bring it...when the punks that don't have the real balls to confront the police run up against them, we'll see how popular they really are...Socialist tactics disgust real Americans, always will..
    That's crap.
    This isn't a socialist tactic, it's a common tactic when people fight against the government and it doesn't matter if it's Cairo or Seattle. If you can't keep the garbage out of the discussion it ceases to be a discussion and becomes a personal pulpit.
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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    That's crap.
    This isn't a socialist tactic, it's a common tactic when people fight against the government and it doesn't matter if it's Cairo or Seattle. If you can't keep the garbage out of the discussion it ceases to be a discussion and becomes a personal pulpit.
    You're certainly sensitive about being called a socialist, though not understanding the difference between Cairo and Seattle would certainly suggest Leftist tendencies.

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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Mayday is a communist holiday, what are anarchists doing there? Don't they have anything better to do?

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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You're certainly sensitive about being called a socialist, though not understanding the difference between Cairo and Seattle would certainly suggest Leftist tendencies.
    Since I'm not fighting I'm not being called anything.

    I understand the difference between the two cities very well. Obviously the poster to whom I was responding does not. Just like an American tank company (with obvious technological adaptations) operates very much the same as Panzer companies did in WWII, so does any mob violence resemble other mob violence. It doesn't matter the religious or political affiliations of the mob, the tactics are the same and dictated by the situation and terrain, not the impetus for the conflict. To suggest otherwise is BS and I labeled it as such. I'm sorry that doesn't further your political ends.



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    But since we're talking about socialism, how many miles of public roads have you driven on today, Comrade?
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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I understand the difference between the two cities very well.
    Obviously not. The tactics of any anti government protest would change according to the response from the government involved, and that would change from country to country. Thus the response protesters would get from the government in Cairo would be quite different from that in Seattle.

    Obviously the poster to whom I was responding does not. Just like an American tank company (with obvious technological adaptations) operates very much the same as Panzer companies did in WWII, so does any mob violence resemble other mob violence.
    No, it does not. Some mobs, as in the case of Muslims for example, have become very violent and people have lost their lives. That has not yet happened, directly anyway, with the OWS protesters.
    It doesn't matter the religious or political affiliations of the mob, the tactics are the same and dictated by the situation and terrain, not the impetus for the conflict. To suggest otherwise is BS and I labeled it as such. I'm sorry that doesn't further your political ends.
    The tactics cannot be dictated by only one side. If the government responds with force then the tactics, usually typified by protesters running away as fast as possible in the opposite direction, can change very quickly.


    But since we're talking about socialism, how many miles of public roads have you driven on today, Comrade?
    Is it your understanding that public roads equal socialism?

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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Obviously not. The tactics of any anti government protest would change according to the response from the government involved, and that would change from country to country. Thus the response protesters would get from the government in Cairo would be quite different from that in Seattle.
    Of course mob violence could change depending on the immediate situation (and see below). If the police respond with a hail of bullets (aka Kent State) then mobs will most likely break and run for cover. You think that would be any different in Cairo compared to Seattle?

    Would the tactics change from country to country? I believe the response would depend more on how much of a threat the government saw in the given mob violence. The country's type of government (even the person in charge on site!) and the particular mob violence would influence how great a threat they perceived but a similar perceived threat level should precipitate a similar response regardless of country, though there are some variations.

    The students at USC Davis were just sitting with their arms locked together and they got maced. Many others have done the same thing in this country without getting maced. The Kent State protests ended with the killing of four unarmed college students but there were hundreds of college protests of similar levels in era that did not result in student deaths. Was it Cairo, Ohio, or Seattle gone bad? Maybe Tiananmen Square? Who can tell without seeing landmarks or uniforms?

    (And you do understand Cairo is being used as a general, not specific, example?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, it does not. Some mobs, as in the case of Muslims for example, have become very violent and people have lost their lives. That has not yet happened, directly anyway, with the [US] protesters.
    What you're citing is a matter of intensity, not an overall change in behavior or general tactics.
    Intentional killing is guerilla warfare or terrorism, not mob violence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The tactics cannot be dictated by only one side. If the government responds with force then the tactics, usually typified by protesters running away as fast as possible in the opposite direction, can change very quickly.
    Did you miss the word "situation" in the first sentence or do you need help with the definition?
    Should I have used 'combat' in front of 'situation' to drive the point home farther or would you still have been confused?

    But to use your example, if the government opened fire the people in Cairo will run for cover just as readily as the people in Seattle. Are you saying they wouldn't or are you making my point??

    Mob violence is a type of warfare and the motivations, whether religious or political or something else, are irrelevant as they are with all warfare. Good strategy and tactics have little to do with the motivations for war.





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    Is it your understanding that public roads equal socialism?
    Are roads government owned and maintained?
    Are they required for or do they enhance commerce?
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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Of course mob violence could change depending on the immediate situation (and see below). If the police respond with a hail of bullets (aka Kent State) then mobs will most likely break and run for cover. You think that would be any different in Cairo compared to Seattle?
    This differs somewhat from your statement that
    Just like an American tank company (with obvious technological adaptations) operates very much the same as Panzer companies did in WWII, so does any mob violence resemble other mob violence.

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