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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    All I see are puppies, kittens, sunsets and pastel colors guys.... where's the fire and violence? [/sarc]

    The fire and violence is what is being hurled by the police at the protesters in that photo, who are hiding from the bullets and explosions being hurled at them. You, um, know that, right?

    Or is it your argument that if a policeman shoots me while I'm doing him or no one else any harm, I'm the violent one?

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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    ........ Redistribution of wealth, to some extent, is a natural function of a civlized society. It is also something that was championed by the founding fathers ...... .
    Championed ? That's four Pinnochios right there.

    “To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816
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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    In the opinion of those who would like to murder them. You'll pardon those of us who do not value the opinion of those who want to murder someone for protesting.
    We'll have to file this with your knowledge of the Founders ...

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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    [...] On another note I read they are throwing bags of feces and urine.. I thought that's what monkeys do.
    Nah, monkeys are probably too smart to believe everything they read.

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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Championed ? That's four Pinnochios right there. You guessed wrong. Way wrong.
    Oooh, sorry....


    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. A tax upon house-rents, therefore, would in general fall heaviest upon the rich; and in this sort of inequality there would not, perhaps, be anything very unreasonable. It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."[15] -- Adam Smith in The Wealth of Nations
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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    I watched the violence and vandalism In Seattle on the news.....It was total cayous.....In addition to the damage and violence traffic was blocked and pedestrians and motorists were harrassed.......It was a terrible exhibition by the followers of Pelosi, Biden and Hussein Obama.........Totally different from the tea party demonstrators who prostested peacefully................

    The sad part is I hear no condemnations from Pelosi, Biden or Hussein Obama.
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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Redistribution of wealth, to some extent, is a natural function of a civlized society. It is also something that was championed by the founding fathers.
    The meter just exploded.

    The author of the Constitution, James Madison, didn't and neither did Samuel Adams as well as others.

    “To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816
    “I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it.” — Benjamin Franklin
    “With respect to the two words ‘general welfare,’ I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.”
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    “When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” — Benjamin Franklin
    “Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated.”
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    According to liberal dogma isn't the constitution old and out of date? Then why source the funding fathers?

    Even the Pilgrims learned the hard way that redistribution of wealth/property only removes incentive and reduces production.
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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Oooh, sorry....
    For Chrissakes. Adam Smith is a Scottish philosopher. Is he one of your Founders ? What other Founders do you have that the rest of us never heard about ?

    And Jefferson addressed taxation. Not redistribution. Jefferson was against redistribution.

    Got any more Founders who were "champions of redistribution" ?

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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    I would say the majority of people who want redistribution of wealth are people who do not work for a living. I still remember Hussein Obama telling Joe the Plumer that redistribution of wealth is a good thing...
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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I would say the majority of people who want redistribution of wealth are people who do not work for a living. I still remember Hussein Obama telling Joe the Plumer that redistribution of wealth is a good thing...
    Yes, so do I, and I remember people calling it Marxism instead of the endorsement of the graduated income tax that it was.
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