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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    What free stuff, specifically?

    And do you have any links or evidence of these alleged demands for this "free stuff"?
    CUNY students demand free tuition @ #OWS Nov. 17 Union Sq. rally - YouTube
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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    but free tuition comes from government. I thought the violent protesters were anarchists.
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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    but free tuition comes from government.
    Can't free tuition come from the private sector as well? For example, charity based education.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I thought the violent protesters were anarchists.
    Notice, he didn't ask if the violent protestors were NOT anarchists, he asked "What free stuff (does OWS want) specifically", the portion in brackets is the inferred subject, which I added. I posted links to answer that specific question.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I denounce their validity and their ideology. The tactics they use can be used by any group... the issue really is how it's perceived. If there is enough support by the populace, a violent act can be seen as an uprising, a demonstration or the start of a revolt. The problem is, back in the day there were very few people in the U.S., yet most of them had a very similar background, came from generally the same place (England or England's rather large commonwealth of controlled country's), and had a similar view and experiences of England. Today, that's the not the case in any sense. I seriously doubt anything less than a North Korean totalitarianistic government take over or invasion by a foreign power would cause and uprising that would be generally supported in this country.
    You could be right, but I'd hope not. I'd rather the people be diligent in their duty towards the Republic. That's likely wishful thinking, still I'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    To your earlier comment about 10% to start an uprising - that may be true to start but it would be easily crushed, their message however valid, manipulated and denounced... etc. IMO it would take probably 25% or more and the vast minority of that would need to be peaceful unless of course we're in a Stalin-esque type environment which would necessitate a full take down of the government and I just don't see that happening any time soon, or maybe I should say the probability is incredibly low.
    The 10% is dependent upon condition, but it's not to say that if 10% can kick off a revolution that the 10% themselves are successful. Sometimes yes, sometimes their demise spurs the other 90% into action.

    But regardless, it is a tough system to start AND control. Also you don't really know what you'll get on the other side, so you have to be sure that what you have now is pretty bad. Revolt is a roll of the dice, sometimes you get 20; but there's still a chance to roll a 1.
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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Can't free tuition come from the private sector as well? For example, charity based education.

    Notice, he didn't ask if the violent protestors were NOT anarchists, he asked "What free stuff (does OWS want) specifically", the portion in brackets is the inferred subject, which I added. I posted links to answer that specific question.
    Oh. So, the peaceful OWS protesters want perks from the government, while the violent anarchist protesters want to end government altogether.

    That puts them on opposite sides of the issue, doesn't it?
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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm a PhD physics, what you have and will know in your entire life is but a subset of my knowledge.

    Slam-dunk on you
    A PhD Physics, who hangs out at DP, attempting to validate the anarchist scum by making absurd comparisons to such as our Founders and those who fought the Revolution.

    Maybe you should have gone for a degree in American history ? or civics ? How about just one semester of common sense ?

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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh. So, the peaceful OWS protesters want perks from the government, while the violent anarchist protesters want to end government altogether.
    One could come to that conclusion, yet that's not so difficult to believe. Most organizations do not share a 100% commonality of views. Most have diverse views and yes, even "fringe" views.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That puts them on opposite sides of the issue, doesn't it?
    Not necessarily. It's just another means to the same end, via a different methodology.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    but free tuition comes from government. I thought the violent protesters were anarchists.
    No, OWS is all communist. How can there be anarchists? hehehe
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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, OWS is all communist. How can there be anarchists? hehehe
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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    A PhD Physics, who hangs out at DP, attempting to validate the anarchist scum by making absurd comparisons to such as our Founders and those who fought the Revolution.

    Maybe you should have gone for a degree in American history ? or civics ? How about just one semester of common sense ?
    I took a lot of history. My majors may have been Physics and Chemistry, but I minored in Math, Botany, and Political Science. I took enough English and History courses for minors in those; but there was no more room on the form to add them.

    As I said, I'm in a different league than you. You may have thought I was just being snide and condescending, but it's also a true statement.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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