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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I simply cannot understand how people can support a group who uses violence against small business owners in destroying and looting items. [...]
    Can you identify these small businesses for us?

    And the looting?

    Oh -- also tell us just exactly who is supporting them?

    Thanks

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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Particularly not in the targets either as these are more riots than revolt. But there were those condemning the destruction of private property and violence and blah; but we did pretty much exactly that when we revolted against Britain. I just find it funny that some people in their zeal to denounce OWS also denounce the Founders.
    I denounce their validity and their ideology. The tactics they use can be used by any group... the issue really is how it's perceived. If there is enough support by the populace, a violent act can be seen as an uprising, a demonstration or the start of a revolt. The problem is, back in the day there were very few people in the U.S., yet most of them had a very similar background, came from generally the same place (England or England's rather large commonwealth of controlled country's), and had a similar view and experiences of England. Today, that's the not the case in any sense. I seriously doubt anything less than a North Korean totalitarianistic government take over or invasion by a foreign power would cause and uprising that would be generally supported in this country.

    To your earlier comment about 10% to start an uprising - that may be true to start but it would be easily crushed, their message however valid, manipulated and denounced... etc. IMO it would take probably 25% or more and the vast minority of that would need to be peaceful unless of course we're in a Stalin-esque type environment which would necessitate a full take down of the government and I just don't see that happening any time soon, or maybe I should say the probability is incredibly low.
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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    First, I would ask for evidence of looting.
    In this articel, there is none. Regardless, people have a right to defend their property from vandalism.

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    Second, I would ask for evidence of ties to OWS.
    Solidarity Sunday article that has been posted.

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    Third, I would ask how the desire of internet vigilantes to kill people they don't like is "defending themselves and their property."
    You don't personally have to be the one being vandalized to want to protect someone's property. I would for any of these small business owners. Why do you think vandalism is ok for the working guy that is trying to get by?

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    Last, I would appreciate if you address those items in your reply before making up anything else.
    Done, and aside from the looting, it still doesn't change the fact people have the right to defend property from being vandalized and destroyed.

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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You do know, that these kids don't share the idea of "liberty" that you think. most are dependent class liberal slobs or mommy boys with a platnium cards in thier wallet.... [...]
    And you know this how? Mind reading abilities?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    [....] by throwing a rock through my window, I hope they enjoy my lead 5.56 "acorn" I'll be putting in thier head.
    Ah, I see - dehumanizing someone to lessen the cognitive dissonance of murdering them.

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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    There is a lot of talk in this thread comparing the OWS movement with the American Revolution. There is no comparison. The Revolution took place because a government was taking from the people here with no representation. The OWS movement has representation. They have a vote. No one is unlawfully taking anything away from them. The American Revolution didn't take place because people wanted more. It didn't take place because they hand outs. Even then, the Revolutionaries tried repeatedly, without violence to work things out with Britain. They attempted to work it out according to the law at the time. They attempted to use diplomacy. They did not start beating and robbing the people they were trying to help. This group is nothing like the revolutionaries that declared independence and fought to keep it.
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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Would you like some more tea to go with that elitist buffoonery ....

    Not only have I forgotten more than you will ever learn, but I also took up the gun for 7 years to defend your liberty.

    Slam-dunk on you
    I'm a PhD physics, what you have and will know in your entire life is but a subset of my knowledge.

    Slam-dunk on you
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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Whether the OWS and their supporters want to admit it or not they have the right to protest and have their voice heard but there is a right way and a wrong way to do it.
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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The Boston Tea party, and events leading up to it, were a protest against taxation on the colonies, absent representation, not about a bunch of punk kids wanting free stuff [...]
    What free stuff, specifically?

    And do you have any links or evidence of these alleged demands for this "free stuff"?

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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    These "knuckledraggers" would never have tried the same thing with the Tea Party protesters because they know that any attempt at violence, or damage to public property, would have put them in serious harm's way. The Tea partiers love their country and what it stands for.

    But they know that they can get away with this sort of thing with the OWSers because the OWSers tend to behave like a disoriented mob and are, of course, not terribly bright. Their knuckles would show a lot of wear as well.
    There's the solution! Let's bring in some Tea partiers to kick a little violent anarchist butt. That will make the Tea Party heroes, and put an end to the nonsense at the same time.

    What a great idea. Anyone see how it could possibly not work?
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    Re: May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Boston Tea Party was a tax revolt, These #ows of dubious causes types want to increase taxes.
    Can you give us any specifics? Or any facts?

    And isn't the thread about the perpetrators of violence, which has been determined to be a group separate from OWS?

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