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    Denver's proposed camping ban passes council on first reading

    Denver's proposed camping ban passes council on first reading - The Denver Post

    This is something that has caused a ton of discussion here in Colorado so I wanted to see what some of you folks think about the issue.

    A divided Denver City Council voted early this morning to preliminarily approve a homeless camping ban after almost five hours of discussion and testimony that ended after the vote at 1:35 a.m.
    Opponents believe this measure will criminalize homelessness, that it was drawn up without community involvement and that there aren't enough services in place.
    But proponents say the issue has put a problem into stark focus. They say without it, there wouldn't be 200 more shelter beds for the summer or a plan to create a 24-hour resource center for homeless. But many said the law is necessary because people are choosing to stay away from doing business downtown.


    I have been to downtown Denver countless times. There are a number of homeless people around. They do harass people. They beg for money. They impede business. Some are crazy and it shows. I don't recall ever being threatened by them but I do try to avoid them and certain businesses and areas where they are more abundant. If I were one of those business owners who customers were avoiding I would be pretty upset by losing customers and business. Also from what a lot of people around here say they do get violent and demanding when you do not give them money and many people I know refuse to go to downtown Denver at night. (it is nowhere near as bad as some other big cities)

    On the other hand, if you dont have a home where do you go? Can you really criminalize homelessness? Many people on the streets have no other option.
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    Re: Denver's proposed camping ban passes council on first reading

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Denver's proposed camping ban passes council on first reading - The Denver Post

    This is something that has caused a ton of discussion here in Colorado so I wanted to see what some of you folks think about the issue.







    I have been to downtown Denver countless times. There are a number of homeless people around. They do harass people. They beg for money. They impede business. Some are crazy and it shows. I don't recall ever being threatened by them but I do try to avoid them and certain businesses and areas where they are more abundant. If I were one of those business owners who customers were avoiding I would be pretty upset by losing customers and business. Also from what a lot of people around here say they do get violent and demanding when you do not give them money and many people I know refuse to go to downtown Denver at night. (it is nowhere near as bad as some other big cities)

    On the other hand, if you dont have a home where do you go? Can you really criminalize homelessness? Many people on the streets have no other option.
    If you recall.. Denver's homeless population exploded about 8 years ago..

    At one point there was tlk of letting them camp in the stdium.

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    Re: Denver's proposed camping ban passes council on first reading

    Criminalizing homelessness is a dangerous precedent to set IMO. I used to live in Colorado, born and raised, and while homelessness is a problem, I don't think this is the answer.

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    Re: Denver's proposed camping ban passes council on first reading

    Criminalizing homelessness will just create a black market. The correct response would be to keep it legal and regulate it.
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    Re: Denver's proposed camping ban passes council on first reading

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Criminalizing homelessness is a dangerous precedent to set IMO. I used to live in Colorado, born and raised, and while homelessness is a problem, I don't think this is the answer.
    The question is then, what is the answer?
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    Re: Denver's proposed camping ban passes council on first reading

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Criminalizing homelessness will just create a black market. The correct response would be to keep it legal and regulate it.
    How do you regulate it?
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    I don't go near Denver...let alone to downtown Denver...so I'm not affected one way or another by their homeless problems, but it seems to me they have enough bleeding heart liberals in that city to take care of the poor suckers.

    btw, though I live near the Springs, I rarely go downtown there, so their homeless problems don't affect me either.

    Seriously, though, the only way any city's homeless problem can be dealt with is to encourage and enable the homeless to better their situations...but the desire to do that must come from the homeless themselves. If they don't have the desire, they will always be a problem.
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    Re: Denver's proposed camping ban passes council on first reading

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I don't go near Denver...let alone to downtown Denver...so I'm not affected one way or another by their homeless problems, but it seems to me they have enough bleeding heart liberals in that city to take care of the poor suckers.

    btw, though I live near the Springs, I rarely go downtown there, so their homeless problems don't affect me either.

    Seriously, though, the only way any city's homeless problem can be dealt with is to encourage and enable the homeless to better their situations...but the desire to do that must come from the homeless themselves. If they don't have the desire, they will always be a problem.
    Whether or not it affects you directly if you are here in Colorado is does affect you. As money and laws are diverted to help the homeless, or enforce these possibly needless laws it is taking away from other apsects of our communities. Furthermore, these homeless, if illegal for them to reside in denver, will be going somewhere. your town could be the destination they migrate to. You dont know. It is irresponsible to ignore the homeless problem here and nationwide. As a country we need to address it not just be covering it up.
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    Re: Denver's proposed camping ban passes council on first reading

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Whether or not it affects you directly if you are here in Colorado is does affect you. As money and laws are diverted to help the homeless, or enforce these possibly needless laws it is taking away from other apsects of our communities. Furthermore, these homeless, if illegal for them to reside in denver, will be going somewhere. your town could be the destination they migrate to. You dont know. It is irresponsible to ignore the homeless problem here and nationwide. As a country we need to address it not just be covering it up.
    Money and laws are diverted to help the homeless...diverted from the Springs, how? We are talking about Denver, right? Or do you think the State should weigh in on Denver's problems? The same can be said about your implication that this should become a national issue...do you propose the federal government get involved in Denver's problems? Your contention that the Denver homeless might migrate to the Springs is realistic, but...as I said...it won't affect me.

    Anyway, I'm not ignoring the issue...as you contend. I've suggested the Denver liberals put up the money and energy to deal with that city's issues and I've expressed my opinion about any city dealing with their homeless problem.


    But, you know, there is a bright side to this Denver law: It will cause problems for the OWSers if they decide to start pitching tents again. (off-topic, I know...feel free to ignore this remark)
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    Re: Denver's proposed camping ban passes council on first reading

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    The question is then, what is the answer?
    Invest more into homeless shelters and outreach programs aimed at helping the homeless.
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