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    Re: Denver's proposed camping ban passes council on first reading

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Hmmm...

    Did the USDA pay that to the State? Or to the farmers?
    I believe it goes to the State first and then the State disperses it. But I'm not sure.
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    Re: Denver's proposed camping ban passes council on first reading

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, well what do you want? To clean up your streets or to deal with the homeless making camp all over the place? Ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
    What I want probably would never happen so that is not really applicable.
    If you want to deal with the homeless problem, it will cost you. And this is a benefit to the local society/city on whole. You're getting something out of it, and you don't get something for free.
    Tell that the hundreds who showed up to speak against the homeless being allowed to be homeless last night. Tell the that people who combat any efforts to raise taxes or redistribute taxes to help the homeless. the reality is in a perfect world we wouldnt have homeless or if we did we would be taking care of them properly. But there is a large base of people who push back on any efforts to assist them. You cant just force it on people because so many oppose.
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    Re: Denver's proposed camping ban passes council on first reading

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    What I want probably would never happen so that is not really applicable.


    Tell that the hundreds who showed up to speak against the homeless being allowed to be homeless last night. Tell the that people who combat any efforts to raise taxes or redistribute taxes to help the homeless. the reality is in a perfect world we wouldnt have homeless or if we did we would be taking care of them properly. But there is a large base of people who push back on any efforts to assist them. You cant just force it on people because so many oppose.
    Perhaps those "hundreds" could put their own money where their mouths are?
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    Re: Denver's proposed camping ban passes council on first reading

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I believe it goes to the State first and then the State disperses it. But I'm not sure.
    The United States currently pays around $20 billion per year to farmers in direct subsidies as "farm income stabilization"
    Agricultural subsidy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Seems the State of Colorado doesn't get any money.

    That flushes your suggestion down the tubes,eh?
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    Re: Denver's proposed camping ban passes council on first reading

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Perhaps those "hundreds" could put their own money where their mouths are?
    I think that most people who support helping the homeless do put our money where our mouths are.
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    Re: Denver's proposed camping ban passes council on first reading

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I think that most people who support helping the homeless do put our money where our mouths are.
    And yet, you think the State or the Feds should spend money as well? Again, spoken like a true liberal.
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    Re: Denver's proposed camping ban passes council on first reading

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    And yet, you think the State or the Feds should spend money as well? Again, spoken like a true liberal.
    Its funny most people who speak politics with me call me conservative far more than liberal. Why cant a guy just have his own opinion?
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    Re: Denver's proposed camping ban passes council on first reading

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I dont think it is in response to Occupy. Occupy Denver was pretty civil and they applied for permits and didnt leave too much of a mess behind. Was done somewhat well here.
    Okay. I know there's a law in Worcester, MA that nobody can be in a City Park after midnight and that there is no camping in almost all of the city parks. That law was reinforced last fall after the couple dozen Occupy Worcester folks tried (unsuccessfully) to occupy the Worcester Common on two separate occasions and were forced into Lake Park (which is in the middle of nowhere) instead.

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    Re: Denver's proposed camping ban passes council on first reading

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Tell that the hundreds who showed up to speak against the homeless being allowed to be homeless last night. Tell the that people who combat any efforts to raise taxes or redistribute taxes to help the homeless. the reality is in a perfect world we wouldnt have homeless or if we did we would be taking care of them properly. But there is a large base of people who push back on any efforts to assist them. You cant just force it on people because so many oppose.
    People always want what's unreasonable. But there's no such thing as a free lunch, so if you want something you need to be prepared to pay for it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Denver's proposed camping ban passes council on first reading

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    And yet, you think the State or the Feds should spend money as well? Again, spoken like a true liberal.
    Yes I do think that there should be more support at state and federal levels to assist with the homeless problem in this country. Why is that wrong?
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