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Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

AdamT said:
To get back on topic, does anyone think it's at all relevant that Elizabeth Warren has exactly the same amount of Cherokee blood as THE CHIEF OF THE CHEROKEE NATION? :lol:
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Acoording to whom?
 
Massachusetts Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren (D) did not rely upon affirmative action to get teaching work at universities around the country, documents obtained by several media outlets revealed on Thursday.

In separate reports, The Associated Press and The Boston Globe both noted that Warren did not claim minority status at the University of Texas, where she taught law before moving to Harvard, writing on a personnel form that she identified as “White.” She also declined to apply to Rutgers Law School under a minority student program. ...
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Documents show Warren did not rely on ‘minority status’ to advance | The Raw Story

we can only hope scott brown's willingness to promote falsehoods about his opponent will only come back to bite him in the ass when it is time to vote



Warren for President 2016
 
So another premature, wrong republican attack. And they fade away like monkeys in the mist when confronted with the truth....
 
AdamT said:
So another premature, wrong republican attack. And they fade away like monkeys in the mist when confronted with the truth....
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There's not much to say. Wikipedia is an open source library, anyone can contribute so the information may or may not be accurate. Your source is flawed and until you provide something with substance there isn't really anything to discuss.
 
LaMidRighter said:
There's not much to say. Wikipedia is an open source library, anyone can contribute so the information may or may not be accurate. Your source is flawed and until you provide something with substance there isn't really anything to discuss.
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I see! So if there was a source that meets your high standards saying that Elizabeth Warren has just as much Cherokee blood as the principal chief of the Cherokee Nation, then you would apologize for your unjustified attack on Ms. Warren?

What about the fact that she, "identified her race as "white" on an employment record at the University of Texas and declined to apply for admission to Rutgers Law School under a program for minority students." Is the AP not an acceptable source?
 
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AdamT said:
I see! So if there was a source that meets your high standards saying that Elizabeth Warren has just as much Cherokee blood as the principal chief of the Cherokee Nation, then you would apologize for your unjustified attack on Ms. Warren?

What about the fact that she, "identified her race as "white" on an employment record at the University of Texas and declined to apply for admission to Rutgers Law School under a program for minority students." Is the AP not an acceptable source?
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crickets ... tumbleweeds ... the sound of one hand spanking....
 
AdamT said:
I see! So if there was a source that meets your high standards saying that Elizabeth Warren has just as much Cherokee blood as the principal chief of the Cherokee Nation, then you would apologize for your unjustified attack on Ms. Warren?

What about the fact that she, "identified her race as "white" on an employment record at the University of Texas and declined to apply for admission to Rutgers Law School under a program for minority students." Is the AP not an acceptable source?
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1) Warren is not the bright light you think she is, she's a moron. All attacks are justified. 2) Even if she has the "same amount of blood" as the chief it isn't up to the standards set by the nation of Cherokee for claiming the descent so it is a moot point 3) If she could not claim she was a Cherokee legally and used it to get ahead by listing it on applications that is FRAUD. 4) I don't give a flying flip if she put "white" on a few applications, half of her career was listed as "Cherokee" so it's a moot point, if a person conducts legal business it doesn't exclude any FRAUD they committed.

So g'head, find another source.
 
AdamT said:
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crickets ... tumbleweeds ... the sound of one hand spanking....
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Sorry that I couldn't respond to you sooner, I was engaging in life at that particular moment.
 
LaMidRighter said:
1) Warren is not the bright light you think she is, she's a moron. All attacks are justified. 2) Even if she has the "same amount of blood" as the chief it isn't up to the standards set by the nation of Cherokee for claiming the descent so it is a moot point 3) If she could not claim she was a Cherokee legally and used it to get ahead by listing it on applications that is FRAUD. 4) I don't give a flying flip if she put "white" on a few applications, half of her career was listed as "Cherokee" so it's a moot point, if a person conducts legal business it doesn't exclude any FRAUD they committed.

So g'head, find another source.
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her professorships that overcame a third rate law school education are best explained by filling a quota-same with her hero who got into harvard law that never would have allowed a similarly situated white male to do
 
TurtleDude said:
her professorships that overcame a third rate law school education are best explained by filling a quota-same with her hero who got into harvard law that never would have allowed a similarly situated white male to do
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No, the professor who recruited her to Harvard -- Reagan's former solicitor general -- didn't even know of Warren's indian heritage. I don't think all the papers and books she published, or the teaching awards she won, knew about it either.
 
TurtleDude said:
her professorships that overcame a third rate law school education are best explained by filling a quota-same with her hero who got into harvard law that never would have allowed a similarly situated white male to do
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I am mixed on affirmative action. Sure, I don't mind real discrimination being ended if there are two equally qualified candidates but like everything else it tends to get abused and the far less than qualified get a position over a far superior candidate because of factors that should never even matter. My take......if there are to be quotas then the exception should be on qualifications, and anyone who uses quotas fraudulently should suffer legal consequences.
 
AdamT said:
No, the professor who recruited her to Harvard -- Reagan's former solicitor general -- didn't even know of Warren's indian heritage. I don't think all the papers and books she published, or the teaching awards she won, knew about it either.
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that ignores her past resume building positions

try again
 
LaMidRighter said:
1) Warren is not the bright light you think she is, she's a moron. All attacks are justified. 2) Even if she has the "same amount of blood" as the chief it isn't up to the standards set by the nation of Cherokee for claiming the descent so it is a moot point 3) If she could not claim she was a Cherokee legally and used it to get ahead by listing it on applications that is FRAUD. 4) I don't give a flying flip if she put "white" on a few applications, half of her career was listed as "Cherokee" so it's a moot point, if a person conducts legal business it doesn't exclude any FRAUD they committed.

So g'head, find another source.
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So you think that the Cherokee Nation's principal chief isn't representative of the Cherokee Nation's opinion? Even though he was elected by the Cherokee Nation? You're getting a bit desperate, aren't you?

As for the other source, if you were in the least bit objective you might have checked the Wikipedia footnotes which provides the following link: How much Cherokee is he?
 
TurtleDude said:
that ignores her past resume building positions

try again
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The fact is that she DOES have Cherokee blood -- in fact the same amount as the principal chief of the Cherokee Nation, so if she did claim it she would have been justified. Though it now appears that she never did claim it, or if so, rarely.
 
AdamT said:
So you think that the Cherokee Nation's principal chief isn't representative of the Cherokee Nation's opinion? Even though he was elected by the Cherokee Nation? You're getting a bit desperate, aren't you?
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Right.:roll: Here's a clue, the Cherokee nation is not a part of the U.S. and can make their own laws, they may elect representatives as they see fit. Under United States law one may not commit fraud. You being a lawyer and all I thought you may understand that.......sorry for overestimating you.

As for the other source, if you were in the least bit objective you might have checked the Wikipedia footnotes which provides the following link: How much Cherokee is he?
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Right, and that has zero to do with Warren using a lower standard under U.S. law to gain advantage. The Cherokee nation can make whatever exceptions they want, but as far as the law is concerned it means NIL.
 
AdamT said:
The fact is that she DOES have Cherokee blood -- in fact the same amount as the principal chief of the Cherokee Nation, so if she did claim it she would have been justified. Though it now appears that she never did claim it, or if so, rarely.
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It's been pointed out here already that it's not so factual. In fact one of her ancestors had quite a bit to do with the trail of tears. You lose.
 
AdamT said:
The fact is that she DOES have Cherokee blood -- in fact the same amount as the principal chief of the Cherokee Nation, so if she did claim it she would have been justified. Though it now appears that she never did claim it, or if so, rarely.
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I couldn't care less what it takes to be chief. I care about the fact that a far left tax hiking idiot uses such specious reasons to try to advance her career
 
TurtleDude said:
I couldn't care less what it takes to be chief. I care about the fact that a far left tax hiking idiot uses such specious reasons to try to advance her career
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You could not care less about any of this bull****. The only thing you care about is the fact that Warren stands up for working men and women.
 
LaMidRighter said:
It's been pointed out here already that it's not so factual. In fact one of her ancestors had quite a bit to do with the trail of tears. You lose.
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What isn't so factual, and where was it pointed out?
 
Yeah, not looking so "factual" here:

Mr. Child found that Ms. Warren’s great-great-grandfather, Preston Crawford, had a brother, William Crawford. In 1894, when William Crawford was about 57 years old, he submitted a marriage application to the officials of Logan County, in what was then Oklahoma Territory. In that application, William Crawford stated he wished to receive a license to marry Mary Long, and he further stated that his mother, O.C. Sarah Smith, was a Cherokee.

Here's the problem with that evidence: Nowhere do the records of that time support William Crawford's claim.

We know that between 1794 and 1799, Wyatt Smith and Margaret "Peggy" Brackin Smith had a little girl they named O.C. Sarah Smith. There's no evidence that “Peggy,” O.C. Sarah’s mother, was Cherokee, and her father's father—Andreas Smith—was the son of two Swedish immigrants, Hans Jurgen Smidt and his wife Maria Stalcop, who settled in Delaware shortly before Andreas' birth in 1731.

O.C. Sarah Smith—known in some records as "Oma" or "Neoma"—appears to be the mother of both Elizabeth Warren's great-great-grandfather, Preston Crawford, and his brother, William Crawford, who is said to have claimed she was Cherokee on that wedding application.

It is upon this claim by O.C. Sarah Smith's son that Ms. Warren's assertion of Native American ancestry precariously sits. But under the best case scenario for Ms. Warren, her great-great-great grandmother O.C. Sarah Smith was only half Cherokee and half Swedish, making her not 1/32 Cherokee, as most press reports have stated, but 1/64 Cherokee.

However, it is more likely that O.C. Sarah Smith had no Cherokee heritage.

Census records that listed O.C. Sarah Smith Crawford (her married name) as a resident of Tennessee in 1830, 1840, and 1860 classify her as white, not Indian.
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...for-warrens-claim-to-native-american-ancestry
 
LaMidRighter said:
Right.:roll: Here's a clue, the Cherokee nation is not a part of the U.S. and can make their own laws, they may elect representatives as they see fit. Under United States law one may not commit fraud. You being a lawyer and all I thought you may understand that.......sorry for overestimating you.
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Please cite the U.S. law that establishes the quantum of Cherokee blood one must have to qualify as a member of the Cherokee Nation.

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AdamT said:
Please cite the U.S. law that establishes the quantum of Cherokee blood one must have to qualify as a member of the Cherokee Nation.

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Let's see, if the nation sets the standard for recognition the U.S. will follow it. Using your standards I can claim minority status because somewhere down the line......gasp......guess what, some of my ancestors hooked up with native americans. I'm probably 1/165th native american but what the hell, the U.S. doesn't specify. :lamo
 
AdamT said:
Ah, Breitbart! Now THERE'S an objective source that I'm sure LaMR would find acceptable! :lol:
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He wasn't addressing me, so................. and BTW Breitbart is a biased source, but they tend to do their research. Now, you haven't addressed the gripes about Wikipedia being OPEN ****ing SOURCE.
 
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