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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    You're right but considering the 72 pages so far it is interesting (and fun) that you 'lefties' have been so easily provoked over this ‘nothing’. If it was truly so ‘nothing’ why have there been so many rebuttals?
    Good argument: any attempt to rebut a false accusation just proves the accusation is true!
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Good argument: any attempt to rebut a false accusation just proves the accusation is true!
    Thanks for that...how are those 'FACTS' coming?

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That might be a reflection on the company you keep.
    No. Just simple common sense and facts.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Something tells me she's a relatively strong candidate, given the fact that there are 70 pages dedicated to a "controversy" of such dubious importance. Any recent polling data for this particular race?
    You are absolutely right, Hare. The rabidness of those who are so against a first-time candidate who has done not but help people is astounding to me. So they have to make mountain out of molehills and make **** up (i.e. Swiftboat) so, Brown, the lover of deregulations and banks gets in.
    “No men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in, because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it,” Trump said... “‘Is everyone OK’? You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody OK?’ And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.”

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    You are absolutely right, Hare. The rabidness of those who are so against a first-time candidate who has done not but help people is astounding to me. So they have to make mountain out of molehills and make **** up (i.e. Swiftboat) so, Brown, the lover of deregulations and banks gets in.
    Ok. If Warren is such a sterling human being why isnt she heading up the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau? Go back and look up the quotes, I'll wait.

    I think its this one:
    “There is nobody in this country who got rich on their own. Nobody. You built a factory out there - good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory... Now look. You built a factory and it turned into something terrific or a great idea - God bless! Keep a hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.”

    The problem is Warren seems to think this means that you can just tax something until it doesnt move anymore--her actions indicate that as does her demonization of business. There are lots of reasons to dislike Warren, the problem is she not only stuck her foot in her mouth on the indian indentity thing, she doubled down on it. She looks dishonest. Thats a problem for voters whose issue research is about 10 minutes deep. Which, unfortunately, is most of them.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Ok. If Warren is such a sterling human being why isnt she heading up the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau? Go back and look up the quotes, I'll wait.

    I think its this one:
    “There is nobody in this country who got rich on their own. Nobody. You built a factory out there - good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory... Now look. You built a factory and it turned into something terrific or a great idea - God bless! Keep a hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.”

    The problem is Warren seems to think this means that you can just tax something until it doesnt move anymore--her actions indicate that as does her demonization of business. There are lots of reasons to dislike Warren, the problem is she not only stuck her foot in her mouth on the indian indentity thing, she doubled down on it. She looks dishonest. Thats a problem for voters whose issue research is about 10 minutes deep. Which, unfortunately, is most of them.
    Not sure, although I do know that senate republicans threatened to veto any long term appointment, including Warren. Not sure why he didn't select her as his recess appointment, or how her not attaining the position makes her any less reputable or competent.

    Sounds like she's calling for higher tax rates.:

    Not sure what you're even trying to imply here, the rest of your paragraph detailing the sheer horrors of a drummed up makeshift controversy about her heritage will have next to no effect on individuals who weren't already voting for Brown.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Ok. If Warren is such a sterling human being why isnt she heading up the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau? Go back and look up the quotes, I'll wait.
    the republicans assured the president that they would not confirm her to the post
    so her assistant was appointed instead to head the bureau she fought for - the one wall street fought against

    I think its this one:
    it's quite a good one. lots of insight and common sense there ... probably too deep for the reich wingers to grasp however
    “There is nobody in this country who got rich on their own. Nobody. You built a factory out there - good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory... Now look. You built a factory and it turned into something terrific or a great idea - God bless! Keep a hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.”
    notice that she applauds those who build business; those who thrive under the capitalistic system
    but she points out a fact that many teabaggers and their ilk want to ignore
    that business would not have been possible without the entrepreneur who had the means and vision perseverance but neither would it have been successful without the infrastructure conducive to business, which infrastructure was paid for by the taxpayer. without that being in place, the prospects for the business to flourish are nil (look at third world countries if you doubt this)
    and the president-elect for 2016 was quite right when she observed that the business' success is due to partnership with the people who funded the infrastructure, not solely because of the skill and tenacity of the business owner

    The problem is Warren seems to think this means that you can just tax something until it doesnt move anymore
    she did NOT say that
    what she did say is the infrastructure required by the business to prosper was available only because of the taxpayers' contribution
    she said nothing about the manner of taxation. pity you are unable to grasp that quite obvious reality
    --her actions indicate that as does her demonization of business.
    what actions are you speaking about? please be specific
    how has she demonized business? as i read it, she celebrated business
    There are lots of reasons to dislike Warren,
    other than being a democrat on the verge of dislodging a GOP senator, what are those other reasons?
    the problem is she not only stuck her foot in her mouth on the indian indentity thing, she doubled down on it.
    in your view it would appear telling the truth is now deemed 'doubling down'. pity
    She looks dishonest.
    well, someone does, but there are no signs that it is Elizabeth Warren
    Thats a problem for voters whose issue research is about 10 minutes deep. Which, unfortunately, is most of them.
    well deepen the ability for prospective voters. answer my above questions ... if you dare
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    No. Just simple common sense and facts.
    MG, I'll tell you this. If I did two flowcharts; one representing the Warren logic of that speech she gave this year that got ripped to shreds and the way things actually work it would take me hours. That is, it would take me about five minutes to break down the Warren logic including finding the proper flow chart and drawing it, if I went through office it would take me about 1.5 minutes due to the extremely simplistic linear logic used. The rebuttle would actually take me hours because there is so much she either doesn't understand or less likely just plain left out. That is just from one failure of hers.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Something tells me she's a relatively strong candidate, given the fact that there are 70 pages dedicated to a "controversy" of such dubious importance. Any recent polling data for this particular race?
    Nope, she's lethally stupid. That is, she can do a lot of damage if given any real position of authority and we'd all rather not having to fix her **** ups by getting rid of her sorry ass before it's a problem. Kind of like refusing to hire Forrest Gump when you need to send a rocket into space.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Nope, she's lethally stupid.

    That is she can do a lot of damage if given any real position of authority and we'd all rather not having to fix her **** ups by getting rid of her sorry ass before it's a problem. Kind of like refusing to hire Forrest Gump when you need to send a rocket into space.
    According to you, yes. According to her body of work, no. I'll be sure to take your opinions into deep consideration however, seeing as you've validated them quite thoroughly with some sterling personal insults in lieu of supporting evidence.

    Is this supposed to be coherent? We'd all rather not having to fix her **** ups by getting rid of her sorry ass? Apparently you honed your finely refined debate skills on a middle school playground.

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