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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So you think that the Cherokee Nation's principal chief isn't representative of the Cherokee Nation's opinion? Even though he was elected by the Cherokee Nation? You're getting a bit desperate, aren't you?
    Right. Here's a clue, the Cherokee nation is not a part of the U.S. and can make their own laws, they may elect representatives as they see fit. Under United States law one may not commit fraud. You being a lawyer and all I thought you may understand that.......sorry for overestimating you.

    As for the other source, if you were in the least bit objective you might have checked the Wikipedia footnotes which provides the following link: How much Cherokee is he?
    Right, and that has zero to do with Warren using a lower standard under U.S. law to gain advantage. The Cherokee nation can make whatever exceptions they want, but as far as the law is concerned it means NIL.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The fact is that she DOES have Cherokee blood -- in fact the same amount as the principal chief of the Cherokee Nation, so if she did claim it she would have been justified. Though it now appears that she never did claim it, or if so, rarely.
    It's been pointed out here already that it's not so factual. In fact one of her ancestors had quite a bit to do with the trail of tears. You lose.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The fact is that she DOES have Cherokee blood -- in fact the same amount as the principal chief of the Cherokee Nation, so if she did claim it she would have been justified. Though it now appears that she never did claim it, or if so, rarely.

    I couldn't care less what it takes to be chief. I care about the fact that a far left tax hiking idiot uses such specious reasons to try to advance her career

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

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    I couldn't care less what it takes to be chief. I care about the fact that a far left tax hiking idiot uses such specious reasons to try to advance her career
    You could not care less about any of this bull****. The only thing you care about is the fact that Warren stands up for working men and women.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It's been pointed out here already that it's not so factual. In fact one of her ancestors had quite a bit to do with the trail of tears. You lose.
    What isn't so factual, and where was it pointed out?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Yeah, not looking so "factual" here:

    Mr. Child found that Ms. Warren’s great-great-grandfather, Preston Crawford, had a brother, William Crawford. In 1894, when William Crawford was about 57 years old, he submitted a marriage application to the officials of Logan County, in what was then Oklahoma Territory. In that application, William Crawford stated he wished to receive a license to marry Mary Long, and he further stated that his mother, O.C. Sarah Smith, was a Cherokee.

    Here's the problem with that evidence: Nowhere do the records of that time support William Crawford's claim.

    We know that between 1794 and 1799, Wyatt Smith and Margaret "Peggy" Brackin Smith had a little girl they named O.C. Sarah Smith. There's no evidence that “Peggy,” O.C. Sarah’s mother, was Cherokee, and her father's father—Andreas Smith—was the son of two Swedish immigrants, Hans Jurgen Smidt and his wife Maria Stalcop, who settled in Delaware shortly before Andreas' birth in 1731.

    O.C. Sarah Smith—known in some records as "Oma" or "Neoma"—appears to be the mother of both Elizabeth Warren's great-great-grandfather, Preston Crawford, and his brother, William Crawford, who is said to have claimed she was Cherokee on that wedding application.

    It is upon this claim by O.C. Sarah Smith's son that Ms. Warren's assertion of Native American ancestry precariously sits. But under the best case scenario for Ms. Warren, her great-great-great grandmother O.C. Sarah Smith was only half Cherokee and half Swedish, making her not 1/32 Cherokee, as most press reports have stated, but 1/64 Cherokee.

    However, it is more likely that O.C. Sarah Smith had no Cherokee heritage.

    Census records that listed O.C. Sarah Smith Crawford (her married name) as a resident of Tennessee in 1830, 1840, and 1860 classify her as white, not Indian.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Right. Here's a clue, the Cherokee nation is not a part of the U.S. and can make their own laws, they may elect representatives as they see fit. Under United States law one may not commit fraud. You being a lawyer and all I thought you may understand that.......sorry for overestimating you.
    Please cite the U.S. law that establishes the quantum of Cherokee blood one must have to qualify as a member of the Cherokee Nation.

    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Ah, Breitbart! Now THERE'S an objective source that I'm sure LaMR would find acceptable!
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Please cite the U.S. law that establishes the quantum of Cherokee blood one must have to qualify as a member of the Cherokee Nation.

    Let's see, if the nation sets the standard for recognition the U.S. will follow it. Using your standards I can claim minority status because somewhere down the line......gasp......guess what, some of my ancestors hooked up with native americans. I'm probably 1/165th native american but what the hell, the U.S. doesn't specify.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Ah, Breitbart! Now THERE'S an objective source that I'm sure LaMR would find acceptable!
    He wasn't addressing me, so................. and BTW Breitbart is a biased source, but they tend to do their research. Now, you haven't addressed the gripes about Wikipedia being OPEN ****ing SOURCE.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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