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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    There's not much to say. Wikipedia is an open source library, anyone can contribute so the information may or may not be accurate. Your source is flawed and until you provide something with substance there isn't really anything to discuss.
    I see! So if there was a source that meets your high standards saying that Elizabeth Warren has just as much Cherokee blood as the principal chief of the Cherokee Nation, then you would apologize for your unjustified attack on Ms. Warren?

    What about the fact that she, "identified her race as "white" on an employment record at the University of Texas and declined to apply for admission to Rutgers Law School under a program for minority students." Is the AP not an acceptable source?
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    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I see! So if there was a source that meets your high standards saying that Elizabeth Warren has just as much Cherokee blood as the principal chief of the Cherokee Nation, then you would apologize for your unjustified attack on Ms. Warren?

    What about the fact that she, "identified her race as "white" on an employment record at the University of Texas and declined to apply for admission to Rutgers Law School under a program for minority students." Is the AP not an acceptable source?


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    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I see! So if there was a source that meets your high standards saying that Elizabeth Warren has just as much Cherokee blood as the principal chief of the Cherokee Nation, then you would apologize for your unjustified attack on Ms. Warren?

    What about the fact that she, "identified her race as "white" on an employment record at the University of Texas and declined to apply for admission to Rutgers Law School under a program for minority students." Is the AP not an acceptable source?
    1) Warren is not the bright light you think she is, she's a moron. All attacks are justified. 2) Even if she has the "same amount of blood" as the chief it isn't up to the standards set by the nation of Cherokee for claiming the descent so it is a moot point 3) If she could not claim she was a Cherokee legally and used it to get ahead by listing it on applications that is FRAUD. 4) I don't give a flying flip if she put "white" on a few applications, half of her career was listed as "Cherokee" so it's a moot point, if a person conducts legal business it doesn't exclude any FRAUD they committed.

    So g'head, find another source.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

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    crickets ... tumbleweeds ... the sound of one hand spanking....
    Sorry that I couldn't respond to you sooner, I was engaging in life at that particular moment.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    1) Warren is not the bright light you think she is, she's a moron. All attacks are justified. 2) Even if she has the "same amount of blood" as the chief it isn't up to the standards set by the nation of Cherokee for claiming the descent so it is a moot point 3) If she could not claim she was a Cherokee legally and used it to get ahead by listing it on applications that is FRAUD. 4) I don't give a flying flip if she put "white" on a few applications, half of her career was listed as "Cherokee" so it's a moot point, if a person conducts legal business it doesn't exclude any FRAUD they committed.

    So g'head, find another source.

    her professorships that overcame a third rate law school education are best explained by filling a quota-same with her hero who got into harvard law that never would have allowed a similarly situated white male to do

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

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    her professorships that overcame a third rate law school education are best explained by filling a quota-same with her hero who got into harvard law that never would have allowed a similarly situated white male to do
    No, the professor who recruited her to Harvard -- Reagan's former solicitor general -- didn't even know of Warren's indian heritage. I don't think all the papers and books she published, or the teaching awards she won, knew about it either.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    her professorships that overcame a third rate law school education are best explained by filling a quota-same with her hero who got into harvard law that never would have allowed a similarly situated white male to do
    I am mixed on affirmative action. Sure, I don't mind real discrimination being ended if there are two equally qualified candidates but like everything else it tends to get abused and the far less than qualified get a position over a far superior candidate because of factors that should never even matter. My take......if there are to be quotas then the exception should be on qualifications, and anyone who uses quotas fraudulently should suffer legal consequences.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, the professor who recruited her to Harvard -- Reagan's former solicitor general -- didn't even know of Warren's indian heritage. I don't think all the papers and books she published, or the teaching awards she won, knew about it either.

    that ignores her past resume building positions

    try again

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    1) Warren is not the bright light you think she is, she's a moron. All attacks are justified. 2) Even if she has the "same amount of blood" as the chief it isn't up to the standards set by the nation of Cherokee for claiming the descent so it is a moot point 3) If she could not claim she was a Cherokee legally and used it to get ahead by listing it on applications that is FRAUD. 4) I don't give a flying flip if she put "white" on a few applications, half of her career was listed as "Cherokee" so it's a moot point, if a person conducts legal business it doesn't exclude any FRAUD they committed.

    So g'head, find another source.
    So you think that the Cherokee Nation's principal chief isn't representative of the Cherokee Nation's opinion? Even though he was elected by the Cherokee Nation? You're getting a bit desperate, aren't you?

    As for the other source, if you were in the least bit objective you might have checked the Wikipedia footnotes which provides the following link: How much Cherokee is he?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that ignores her past resume building positions

    try again
    The fact is that she DOES have Cherokee blood -- in fact the same amount as the principal chief of the Cherokee Nation, so if she did claim it she would have been justified. Though it now appears that she never did claim it, or if so, rarely.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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