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Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

Flippinfunky said:
Elizabeth Warren

"The Boston Globe reported that Warren claimed no minority status in applying to college or law school. Her application to Rutgers University Law School, which Warren attended, included the question: "Are you interested in applying for admission under the Program for Minority Group Students?" Warren answered, "No."
Yet at some point in the late 1980s, when she was teaching law at the University of Pennsylvania, Warren began listing herself as Native American in a legal directory. A recently-unearthed article from a 1997 Fordham Law Review describes Warren as the Harvard Law School faculty's "first woman of color." "

She never listed it when she applied. Regardless, this is a non issue and wont make or break her..She's got 95.77 percent of the delegate vote. There are bigger issues to deal with, like Scott Walkers staff stealing veterans funds, perhaps.
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I found this while looking for the results of the planned Cherokee protest at the dem convention in Springfield.

This writer claims to be a Cherokee Indian person. I haven't checked with the genealogical society to see if that's true, but I'm going to take him at his word for now...LOL.
Cherokee Protest at Democratic Convention is a Waste of Time.

I don’t know if she has Cherokee blood or not, and frankly I’m not that concerned about it. For the rest of us Cherokees, this is u tsa ti gv wa du wi dv u tla go hu s di, much ado about nothing.

Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee Protest at Democratic Convention is a Waste of Time
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The polls haven't moved one way or the other either, so maybe he's right about much ado about nothing and it's just more faux rightwing whining about.....well any and every thing...:(
 
BWG said:
I found this while looking for the results of the planned Cherokee protest at the dem convention in Springfield.

This writer claims to be a Cherokee Indian person. I haven't checked with the genealogical society to see if that's true, but I'm going to take him at his word for now...LOL.


The polls haven't moved one way or the other either, so maybe he's right about much ado about nothing and it's just more faux rightwing whining about.....well any and every thing...:(
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I mean, why would the polls move? This is a great great desperation move by the GOP. She didn't claim Cherokee status when applying in college. She didn't claim Cherokee status when she applied for law school. She didn't say anything about Cherokee status when running for office.

This is just GOP opposition research digging decades into the past to try and find anything. And I mean ANYTHING they can attack her with. This is weaksauce to the max. Which is why the polls aren't moving on this.
 
poweRob said:
I mean, why would the polls move? This is a great great desperation move by the GOP. She didn't claim Cherokee status when applying in college. She didn't claim Cherokee status when she applied for law school. She didn't say anything about Cherokee status when running for office.

This is just GOP opposition research digging decades into the past to try and find anything. And I mean ANYTHING they can attack her with. This is weaksauce to the max. Which is why the polls aren't moving on this.
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That Warren is not up by 10 in uber-lib Massachusetts is your polls moving ;)

But look at what you wrote ! Contrast this with the uncorroborated stories about Mitt Romney in high school supposedly cutting some kids hair !!

Warren as an adult, just 15-20 years ago, misrepresenting herself. Corroborated.

Romney in high school. 45 years ago. Not corroberated. In fact, denied by the "victim's" family.

:lamo:lamo
 
Dickieboy said:
Unless I missed it she has yet to provide verifiable proof that she is in fact 1/32 Cherokee. It is this that is in question and not whether 1/32 is 'enough'. There has been alot of heresay and conflicting stories but nothing concrete by HER or anyone else. But I remain open for verifiable proof.
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and when you fill out those personal information forms, the ones that ask for your ethnicity, i am certain that when you check 'white' you are able to prove with 100% accuracy that you are 100% white. [/s] but then, no one ever asks for such proof. the proof you now deem so essential
 
Eighty Deuce said:
That Warren is not up by 10 in uber-lib Massachusetts is your polls moving ;)

But look at what you wrote ! Contrast this with the uncorroborated stories about Mitt Romney in high school supposedly cutting some kids hair !!

Warren as an adult, just 15-20 years ago, misrepresenting herself. Corroborated.

Romney in high school. 45 years ago. Not corroberated. In fact, denied by the "victim's" family.

:lamo:lamo
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Mitt Romney in High school being a bully. Corroborated.

Elizabeth Warren's Cherokee heritage. Corroborated in your own OP of this thread when you, yourself linked to this story:




Here's the difference between you and I...

Mitt Romney in High school being a bully
Me: Don't give a ****
You: Don't give a ****​


Elizabeth Warren's Cherokee heritage
Me: Don't give a ****
You: Are ringing the "feign outrage" bell​
 
Eighty Deuce said:
That Warren is not up by 10 in uber-lib Massachusetts is your polls moving ;)

But look at what you wrote ! Contrast this with the uncorroborated stories about Mitt Romney in high school supposedly cutting some kids hair !!

Warren as an adult, just 15-20 years ago, misrepresenting herself. Corroborated.

Romney in high school. 45 years ago. Not corroberated. In fact, denied by the "victim's" family.

:lamo:lamo
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yeah, maybe you should get out more is correct

The family of the student allegedly attacked by Romney and friends was not "denied by the "victim's" family" What they have said is that their brother never told them the story - a little bit different than saying it didn't happen.

Others, who were students with Romney have corroborated the tale
Friedemann claimed that one day Romney and a group of boys sought out Lauber, tackled him and held him to the ground while Romney clipped the locks he found offensive. Three other former Cranbrook students corroborated the story on the record, and a fourth spoke to the Post anonymously.
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Flippinfunky said:
No its not, it's about EW and a non issue. Again, when I see the same concerns for the right, from the right, I'll stop laughing at you.
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Laugh at whomever you please. Enjoy! Won't change the fact that your post was an attempt to deflect from the topic, which is Warren. You apparently aren't very interested in facts, just partisan pot-stirring. Not very well played.
 
poweRob said:
Mitt Romney in High school being a bully. Corroborated.

Elizabeth Warren's Cherokee heritage. Corroborated in your own OP of this thread when you, yourself linked to this story:




Here's the difference between you and I...

Mitt Romney in High school being a bully
Me: Don't give a ****
You: Don't give a ****​


Elizabeth Warren's Cherokee heritage
Me: Don't give a ****
You: Are ringing the "feign outrage" bell​
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But this thread, and story, ain't about you and me ;)

As for how the national parties play their politics, can't have it both ways.
 
This is why affirmative action is bad it incourages lying.
 
justabubba said:
and when you fill out those personal information forms, the ones that ask for your ethnicity, i am certain that when you check 'white' you are able to prove with 100% accuracy that you are 100% white. [/s] but then, no one ever asks for such proof. the proof you now deem so essential
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Yeah, because there are so many advantages in checking "white". Everyone knows they get preference over people of color like the squaw Dizzy Lizzie Warren.
 
YoungConserv said:
This is why affirmative action is bad it incourages lying.
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There is no indication that she benefited from being 1/32 Cherokee.. Those stories are family lore.

In our family we finally discovered the source of the folklore about an indian great, great great grandmother.. and sure enough we are 1/32 American Indian.. Its not a big deal... there were many mixed race couples farming in the Cherokee Nation before the Great Removal.
 
In my opinion the reason why this is making a splash is because we only have Warren's word that she didnt use minority status to get ahead. Here is the rub because her integrity on the ancestry issue calls into question her honesty on this issue as well. It looks like she gamed the system to get ahead, so thats what people believe.

It strikes right at her core as a crusader because crusaders against power have to look incorruptible, Warren looks quite corruptible now.
 
poweRob said:
Glad to see that we both agree that your quote in your previous post of "the Coalition of Bar Associations of Color" talking about how pervasive of a problem using it to get into school had been is irrelevant garbage having nothing to do with Elizabeth Warren.

As far as your assumptions as to why she marked her heritage later in the job market... well, they are assumptions and of course the worst kind of assumptions you can come up with.
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There's no doubt that many Native American's are upset with Warren's claims that she cannot prove. And nobody would have to assume anything about the matter if Warren hadn't been caught in a lie about not having told Harvard or the University of Penn about her minority status.
 
YoungConserv said:
This is why affirmative action is bad it incourages lying.
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no. affirmative action is an excellent governmental approach
that we base it on one's ethnicity is what promotes the lying
 
jerry7 said:
There's no doubt that many Native American's are upset with Warren's claims that she cannot prove. And nobody would have to assume anything about the matter if Warren hadn't been caught in a lie about not having told Harvard or the University of Penn about her minority status.
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yes, at least three of them
of course they have not proffered evidence to show that they are Native Americans themselves
 
Meathead said:
Yeah, because there are so many advantages in checking "white". Everyone knows they get preference over people of color like the squaw Dizzy Lizzie Warren.
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but you are moving away from what he insisted was the essential crux of this matter. her alleged inability to prove her 1/32 Native American heritage

the reich wing must own the rights to the mobile goal post franchise
 
Actually that is not true.. Her applications are still on file and have been published.

OpportunityCost said:
In my opinion the reason why this is making a splash is because we only have Warren's word that she didnt use minority status to get ahead. Here is the rub because her integrity on the ancestry issue calls into question her honesty on this issue as well. It looks like she gamed the system to get ahead, so thats what people believe.

It strikes right at her core as a crusader because crusaders against power have to look incorruptible, Warren looks quite corruptible now.
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nota bene said:
Laugh at whomever you please. Enjoy! Won't change the fact that your post was an attempt to deflect from the topic, which is Warren. You apparently aren't very interested in facts, just partisan pot-stirring. Not very well played.
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Nota, you posted a link about Indians being upset with Warren when you clearly didn't follow through..either that or you seriously think 3 whole Indians is something to get excited over. So, when you find something with substance, let me know.
 
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justabubba said:
yes, at least three of them
of course they have not proffered evidence to show that they are Native Americans themselves
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You see, Ms. Warren, some of us have independently done our own research and we know you have no documentation supporting your claim of Cherokee ancestry.* We wonder why you believe you have the right to claim Cherokee ancestry and to call yourself a Native American when you have no evidence to support your claim. While you cling to a family story and the inaccurate report that ONE document was found that supports your claim, we real Cherokees understand that those things mean nothing. You see, we Cherokees have lots and lots and lots of documentation supporting our claims of our ancestry. Our Cherokee ancestors are found on every roll of the Cherokee Nation (30+ rolls!) dating back to before the removal and in all sorts of other documentation, including but not limited to claims against the US government for lost property; the Moravian missionary records; ration lists before and after the forced removal, etc...yet your ancestors are found in NONE of those records
But, your ancestors are found in plenty of historical records, and every time, they are found living as white people among other white people. Never are your ancestors ever found living among the Cherokees. Never, never, never, never.......yet you claim they were Cherokee.




Hmmm........and they say you are an elite lawyer! Really?




Are we supposed to believe an elite lawyer knows nothing about the burden of proof? According to Lawyers.com, the burden of proof is the responsibility of producing sufficient evidence in support of a fact or issue and favorably persuading the trier of fact. Well, Ms. Warren, you should know that you are not doing a very good job of supporting your claim or persuading anyone to believe what you say. This is starting to make us question your ability as a legal mind! And that makes us question whether you really got your job at Harvard on your own merits or whether you climbed on the backs of the Cherokee people in order to further your career.


Read more: Thoughts from Polly's Granddaughter: A Letter to Elizabeth Warren
 
How exactly did you research her genealogy? I am very curious about that.


jerry7 said:
You see, Ms. Warren, some of us have independently done our own research and we know you have no documentation supporting your claim of Cherokee ancestry.* We wonder why you believe you have the right to claim Cherokee ancestry and to call yourself a Native American when you have no evidence to support your claim. While you cling to a family story and the inaccurate report that ONE document was found that supports your claim, we real Cherokees understand that those things mean nothing. You see, we Cherokees have lots and lots and lots of documentation supporting our claims of our ancestry. Our Cherokee ancestors are found on every roll of the Cherokee Nation (30+ rolls!) dating back to before the removal and in all sorts of other documentation, including but not limited to claims against the US government for lost property; the Moravian missionary records; ration lists before and after the forced removal, etc...yet your ancestors are found in NONE of those records
But, your ancestors are found in plenty of historical records, and every time, they are found living as white people among other white people. Never are your ancestors ever found living among the Cherokees. Never, never, never, never.......yet you claim they were Cherokee.




Hmmm........and they say you are an elite lawyer! Really?




Are we supposed to believe an elite lawyer knows nothing about the burden of proof? According to Lawyers.com, the burden of proof is the responsibility of producing sufficient evidence in support of a fact or issue and favorably persuading the trier of fact. Well, Ms. Warren, you should know that you are not doing a very good job of supporting your claim or persuading anyone to believe what you say. This is starting to make us question your ability as a legal mind! And that makes us question whether you really got your job at Harvard on your own merits or whether you climbed on the backs of the Cherokee people in order to further your career.


Read more: Thoughts from Polly's Granddaughter: A Letter to Elizabeth Warren
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Aw, common guys! She was just looking for "people like her". Maybe speak a little Cherokee, swap great great great granny's Cherokee recipes, catch up with the old gang and bemoan the injustices done to "her" people. You know how it is!
 
sharon said:
How exactly did you research her genealogy? I am very curious about that.
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I didn't research it. I supplied a link. To an article written by a Cherokee genealogist.
 
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