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    Re: White House official confirms US carries out drone strikes.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    hm. evidence?
    The Skynet capacity isn't what I'm referring to. I'm sorry I was unclear. However, in passing, Skynet has been invented and tested.

    What I'm referring to is a way of war involving the continual presence of drones in the airspace of target countries picking up random activities, looking for patterns, processing data, and acting. People are still part of the process currently.

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    Re: White House official confirms US carries out drone strikes.

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    If it saves american lives its legitimate to me...and they appear to be of value to us..
    If so, it behooves America to clarify the matter of legal authority in order to broaden support for the drone program.

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    Re: White House official confirms US carries out drone strikes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Why not use drones against gangs in US cities? I mean, if it's OK in other places because civilian casualties are at a minimum, wouldn't they be perfect to put an end to the Crips, the Bloods, the MS 13, all of the other violent gangs that infest every city and town in America?

    That's a war too, right?
    Hmmm. well, come ta think of it....

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    Re: White House official confirms US carries out drone strikes.

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    Meanwhile, water wet, sky blue, grass green.
    sometimes sky is gray and grass is yellow.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: White House official confirms US carries out drone strikes.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Wow. So we can target whoever our government deems "the enemy" no matter where they are in the world. Downtown London? I guess so, since we don't have to declare war on a country in order to drone them. This doesn't sound right to me. I know we live in a different world now...I know terrorists hide in the hills...but this doesn't sound right.
    Anywhere the Taliban terrorists find quarter is fair game to bomb in my opinion.

    If the taliban move into your neighborhood, I suggest you do one of two things. Avoid them like the plague and get the hell out or shoot them yourself.

    For as surely as one decides to collaborate, mingle, sympathize or give quarter to these bastards, that person becomes a part of the problem rather than part of the solution and therefore they can consider themselves collaterial damage when Uncle Sam comes to call. This goes for Afghanistan, Pakistan, or any other rock these cockroaches try to hide under.

    We shall search the four corners of the universe and hunt them down and kill them dead. They have no place in this world.

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    Re: White House official confirms US carries out drone strikes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Computer programs are deciding who to shoot?

    now, that's really scary science fiction sort of stuff.
    This is what I was referring to:


    "...Drone assaults on high-value targets known as "personality strikes" usually require approval from a lawyer like Rizzo, the CIA chief and sometimes the president himself. But the CIA's more common use of drones known as "signature strikes" involves attacks on groups of alleged militants who are behaving in ways that seem suspicious. Such strikes are reportedly the brainchild of the CIA veteran who has run the agency's drone program for the past six years, a chain-smoking convert to Islam who goes by the code name "Roger." In a recent profile, The Washington Post called Roger "the principal architect of the CIA's drone campaign." When it comes to signature strikes, say insiders, the decision to launch a drone assault is essentially an odds game: If the agency thinks it's likely that the group of individuals are insurgents, it will take the shot. "The CIA is doing a lot more targeting on a percentage basis," says the former official with knowledge of the agency's drone program...."

    http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.p...-war-in-secret

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    Re: White House official confirms US carries out drone strikes.

    This law has no expiration date from what I remember.

    Public Law 107-40
    107th Congress

    Joint Resolution

    To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those
    responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United
    States. <<NOTE: Sept. 18, 2001 - [S.J. Res. 23]>>

    Whereas, on September 11, 2001, acts of treacherous violence were
    committed against the United States and its citizens; and
    Whereas, such acts render it both necessary and appropriate that the
    United States exercise its rights to self-defense and to protect
    United States citizens both at home and abroad; and
    Whereas, in light of the threat to the national security and foreign
    policy of the United States
    posed by these grave acts of violence;
    and
    Whereas, such acts continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat
    to the national security and foreign policy
    of the United States;
    and
    Whereas, the President has authority under the Constitution to take
    action to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against
    the United States
    : Now, therefore, be it

    Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
    States of America in Congress assembled, <<NOTE: Authorization for Use
    of Military Force. 50 USC 1541 note.>>

    SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

    This joint resolution may be cited as the ``Authorization for Use of
    Military Force''.

    SEC. 2. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

    (a) <<NOTE: President.>> In General.--That the President is
    authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those
    nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized,
    committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11,
    2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any
    future acts of international terrorism against the United States
    by such
    nations, organizations or persons.

    (b) War Powers Resolution Requirements.--
    (1) Specific statutory authorization.--Consistent with
    section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress
    declares that this section is intended to constitute specific
    statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of
    the War Powers Resolution.


    (2) Applicability of other requirements.--Nothing in this
    resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers
    Resolution.

    Approved September 18, 2001.
    SEC. 8. (a) Authority to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into situations wherein involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances shall not be inferred--
    (1) from any provision of law
    (whether or not in effect before the date of the enactment of this joint resolution), including any provision contained in any appropriation Act, unless such provision specifically authorizes the introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into such situations and stating that it is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of this joint resolution

    SEC. 5. (b) Within sixty calendar days after a report is submitted or is required to be submitted pursuant to section 4(a)(1), whichever is earlier, the President shall terminate any use of United States Armed Forces with respect to which such report was submitted (or required to be submitted), unless the Congress (1) has declared war or has enacted a specific authorization for such use of United States Armed Forces, (2) has extended by law such sixty-day period, or (3) is physically unable to meet as a result of an armed attack upon the United States. Such sixty-day period shall be extended for not more than an additional thirty days if the President determines and certifies to the Congress in writing that unavoidable military necessity respecting the safety of United States Armed Forces requires the continued use of such armed forces in the course of bringing about a prompt removal of such forces.
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    Re: White House official confirms US carries out drone strikes.

    Quote Originally Posted by onestepfurther View Post
    White House official confirms US carries out drone strikes | Fox News

    "Brennan's remarks amounted to both a defense and a public embrace of drone technology as the leading edge of the White House's clandestine war on terrorists from Yemen to Somalia.
    Brennan says targets are chosen by weighing whether there is a way to capture the person against how much of a threat the person presents to Americans.
    Targeting Al Qaeda members with lethal force by drones is legal, Brennan said, comparing it to targeting Japanese and German commanders in World War II.
    He said use of drones was ethical because "only military objectives may be intentionally targeted and that civilians are protected from being intentionally targeted."
    Brennan also called targeted strikes "wise," saying they kept both U.S. personnel out of harm's way, and that their precision munitions helped avoid civilian casualties caused by the kind of weapons dropped by jets. "

    "Brennan's comments did not directly acknowledge the CIA's covert campaign in Pakistan, which has caused friction with the Pakistani government. Pakistan on Monday condemned a U.S. drone strike that killed three suspected Islamist militants in the northwest, the first since the country's parliament demanded that Washington end the attacks two weeks ago. In the past, Pakistan had publicly condemned strikes, but privately allowed them in specific geographic "boxes," namely in the tribal areas.
    "We continue to believe, based on the information available, that the program itself is not just unlawful but dangerous," said Hina Shamsi, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's National Security Project. "It is dangerous to characterize the entire planet as a battlefield," Shamsi said.
    A protester interrupted Brennan's remarks, shouting criticisms of the drone program. Her last words as she was dragged from the conference room by a security guard were "shame on you.""


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    I really want to investigate just why the ACLU reckons targeted drone strikes are illegal. That they would oppose them is axiomatic, but I'm curious about their reasoning.
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    I don't believe we should use them in countries we are not at war with. We are setting a dangerous precedent here. We are basically saying it would be okay if some other country decided that if some wanted terrorist lives in the US it would be alright for them to send drones into the US. From a nationalistic perspective if I was living in a country that allowed another country to fly drones into my country I would be wanting to revolt and to execute every elected official who committed blatant treason against the people for allowing this,including those who failed to filibuster, as well as retaliate against the countries that sent in the drones.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: White House official confirms US carries out drone strikes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Why not use drones against gangs in US cities? I mean, if it's OK in other places because civilian casualties are at a minimum, wouldn't they be perfect to put an end to the Crips, the Bloods, the MS 13, all of the other violent gangs that infest every city and town in America?

    That's a war too, right?
    There could also be some terrorist wanted by other countries living in the US,why not let other countries fly their drones into the US to get rid of them?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: White House official confirms US carries out drone strikes.

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    sometimes sky is gray and grass is yellow.
    I mean this with love: smartass.
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