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    Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

    Excellent article. Come up with your deductions.

    WASHINGTON — In a single week last April, 3 people were killed with guns in Philadelphia, 14 more were shot and wounded, 68 robberies were carried out at gunpoint and a total of 144 crimes involving firearms were reported.During that same week in San Diego, a city of roughly the same size with far fewer police officers, there were no gun-related homicides, 2 people wounded by gunshots, 4 robberies committed at gunpoint and a total of only 20 gun-related crimes. What made the difference?
    Coming two months after the shooting death of Trayvon Martin in Florida, the wide-ranging discussion encompassed the proliferation of laws that make it easier to own, carry and use a gun; the role of gangs and narcotics; the characteristics of perpetrators and victims; and the need for more aggressive prosecution and greater investment in technology to trace and identify firearms.
    If there was a central message to be drawn from the survey, it was that gun violence is tightly concentrated in the poorest urban neighborhoods, its victims mostly minorities, who receive little attention from politicians and the news media.
    “Nobody in this room, unless you’re from Sanford, Fla., would even know the name of Trayvon Martin if it was a black kid that had shot Trayvon Martin,” said Police Commissioner Charles H. Ramsey of Philadelphia, who is African-American.
    “It happens every single day in Philadelphia. It happens every single day in cities across the country, but if it’s a black killing a black,” no one cares, Commissioner Ramsey continued, noting that the week studied by the forum was less violent than many other weeks in Philadelphia. “Our streets are bleeding, and they’re bleeding profusely.”
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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

    I think it is great that the black community is talking about a major issue inside their community. I am not sure Rev. Al will be running down there though to make an announcement.
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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

    If there was a central message to be drawn from the survey, it was that gun violence is tightly concentrated in the poorest urban neighborhoods, its victims mostly minorities, who receive little attention from politicians and the news media.
    This is, at it's core, an economic problem. The racial disparaties are largely consequential, not causal. All long a America continues it's infatuation with race, I don't see you making any kind of headway.

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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

    Straw purchasing, in which a proxy buys guns for convicted felons, is another problem, participants said. Chief Art Acevedo of Austin said his officers regularly observed women buying as many as 30 guns, including semiautomatic weapons, at gun shows and then passing them on to men.
    First, I would like to see some documentation of this. If there are 30 guns purchased at once, the ATF would have a record of it.
    Secondly, if the officers are observing this, then why are they allowing it to happen?

    The entire comment smacks of hyperbole.
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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Excellent article. Come up with your deductions.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/28/us...ence.html?_r=1
    The chiefs are acting like hysterical pussies...

    Maybe its just that life is hardening me up, but other than the innocent crossfire victims, those stats make me happy. Maybe the ****ers will exterminate themselves and save more oxygen for the people that want to have a good place in society.

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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

    The truth is police know the truth...but some people are so unreasonable in their quest for what they want...they exclude all other opinions or facts...

    Its incomprehensible to some that anyone could say that crime in all black neighborhoods is far more prevalent than in white neighborhoods without them being LABELED a racist...but its the truth and theres NON racial reasons for it....its the poverty factor stupid...its the unemployment numbers stupid...
    When you have scores of young men out of work with nothing but Idle time and empty pockets...what else would you expect ?...theres many more NON racist reasons...but some wont even accept it.....if you dont SAY IT LIKE IT IS...how can you ever fix it... The chief are utterly totally correct to bring out this issue
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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

    So, compare and contrast: How is San Diego like Philadelphia? How is it different?

    Is it really a black/white thing? How "white" is San Diego, really?

    Seems to me that gangs might have something to do with it, but that could be wrong, too.
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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    First, I would like to see some documentation of this. If there are 30 guns purchased at once, the ATF would have a record of it.
    Not if the purchaser bought a few guns each from various "non-dealers".
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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

    I think they're discussing things with a false notion before the discussion even begins

    1) Zimmerman was not white - he was also race-minority.

    2) Trayvon's mother and supporting members of the family made a huge difference in how the media responded - I think her words and her face after the incident stirred widespread support.

    3) I think the media plays less and less a part of how such messages/videos (IE: her comments immediately after his death) circulate the net. I learn about many things - including this - long before i might watch the news. . . it takes days for something to hit widespread media but mere minutes for it to spread through forums (etc). . . the internet has very different pathways for information.

    4) The facts were very hidden / obscure / skewed in the beginning - all we first heard was that a little kid with candy and ice team (IE: age 13 in his picture that was released) was killed by some thug - who was just let go and not held for killing a child. Lack of adequate police response and gathered information created this entire scenario. Honestly - you couldn't create a better false story to fool the whole nation if you tried harder.

    I do not think - at all - that this case is reflective of a 'crime ridden society' at all. I wish they didn't use this as the case to refer to when discussing these topics.
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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Not if the purchaser bought a few guns each from various "non-dealers".
    Good point..... not very likely, but it could theoretically happen. No way it would "regularly happen" tho.
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