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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    It is largely those things. Broken families and the lack of a father figure can certainly be causal factors but one of the key things they cause is poverty.

    Or American culture in relation to black citizens? I suggest the key problem is your history (which you can't change) and your cultural infatuation with racial differences (which you can). While blacks in America continue to be treated as second class citizens (by blacks and whites alike), they will continue to be second class citizens.
    Yes, as noted in the link that I provided, and virtually any other that you go to, lack of a father increases the incidence of poverty. But also as noted, poor folks with fathers in the home produce less criminals than poor homes without fathers.

    As to the latter. Nope. Every immigrant group did its time as "second class citizens". To stay that way is a choice.

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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

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    To stay that way is a choice.
    That is as clear a statement of racism as one can find in our modern 'polite' society
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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    First, I would like to see some documentation of this. If there are 30 guns purchased at once, the ATF would have a record of it.
    Secondly, if the officers are observing this, then why are they allowing it to happen?

    The entire comment smacks of hyperbole.
    As I have spent a little more time at guns shows, I don't know if I would agree with that. There is little regulation going on at gunshows. I think we in the shooting community need to start policing them a litte more tightly. The more responsible we are, the less ammunition they will have (pun intended).
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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

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    But there's no ocean in Colorado, no ocean - I ain't gonna live there.

    Yes, Maine is better than much of the East Coast but using just city folks as your measurement of 'assholeyness' ignores all of those who live outside of the urban areas.
    By a large amount, more people live in cities on the east coast than dont. So unfortunately they represent the region to most people.
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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    As I have spent a little more time at guns shows, I don't know if I would agree with that. There is little regulation going on at gunshows. I think we in the shooting community need to start policing them a litte more tightly. The more responsible we are, the less ammunition they will have (pun intended).


    Wow -- you are a rare commodity! A gun rights advocate who can admit that *some* regulation =/= they're tring to take all our guns away.
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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    That is as clear a statement of racism as one can find in our modern 'polite' society
    God forbid we even suggest "accountability" .... or is that clear liberal Viagra/racism as well

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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    What you find, in every study you can dig up, again is that correlating factor of homes without fathers. Yes, this begets poverty. But if you look to the studies, there is a large difference between poor homes with both parents, and poor homes without a father, and the resulting incidence of criminality. Whites from fatherless homes are more prone to criminality as well. But as a percent of population, the black community tops fatherless homes, and consequently, criminal predisposition.

    The black community is FUBAR. Its not racism. Its not a lack of opportunity. Its choice.
    But does the black community have more fatherless homes because of race, or is it because more of them live in poverty?

    Someone above mentioned the welfare system. Now, I suppose there is a concept of the welfare mom who has kids but no husband and who depends on the largesse of government as a black woman. That is not the case, however. White women live the same way, and the same welfare system that discourages marriage before children applies to all races.

    There is little that the government can do about this situation, but reforming the welfare state would be a good start.
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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    But does the black community have more fatherless homes because of race, or is it because more of them live in poverty? ......
    Can you show us any such correlation ? I'm not going to do homework for you, but the incidence of bastard kids is highest within the black community. Pick any income level.

    Black culture foments the poor choices made, that then foment the higher levels of poverty and criminality. As you infer, I believe, enabling such poor choices with such as the War on Poverty only made things worse.

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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

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