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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

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    This is, at it's core, an economic problem. The racial disparaties are largely consequential, not causal. All long a America continues it's infatuation with race, I don't see you making any kind of headway.
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    The truth is police know the truth...but some people are so unreasonable in their quest for what they want...they exclude all other opinions or facts...

    Its incomprehensible to some that anyone could say that crime in all black neighborhoods is far more prevalent than in white neighborhoods without them being LABELED a racist...but its the truth and theres NON racial reasons for it....its the poverty factor stupid...its the unemployment numbers stupid...
    When you have scores of young men out of work with nothing but Idle time and empty pockets...what else would you expect ?...theres many more NON racist reasons...but some wont even accept it.....if you dont SAY IT LIKE IT IS...how can you ever fix it... The chief are utterly totally correct to bring out this issue
    No. It is not the poverty. It is not unemployment. It is not the economy.

    It is the culture. Black culture in America. The number one correlating factor amongst hard criminals is to be raised in homes without fathers in them. An epidemic in the black community.

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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

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    No. It is not the poverty. It is not unemployment. It is not the economy.

    It is the culture. Black culture in America. The number one correlating factor amongst hard criminals is to be raised in homes without fathers in them. An epidemic in the black community.

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    Black culture, or the culture of poverty? How do white, Asian, and Hispanic youth do when they're raised in a similar environment?

    It was pointed out above that San Diego is a desirable place to live, but fairly expensive. Now, let's compare that with another California city that has few blacks, but a lot of poverty. Fresno is smack in the middle of the state. It's not a bad place to live if you have at least a middle class sort of income, but a lot of people don't. So, what does Fresno have that San Diego doesn't? A high murder rate, a lot of crime, drugs, and gangs. I don't have stats on its murder rate compared to Philadelphia, but I do read the local news. Drive bys happen all the time, as do "gang related' murders.
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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    No. It is not the poverty. It is not unemployment. It is not the economy.

    It is the culture. Black culture in America. The number one correlating factor amongst hard criminals is to be raised in homes without fathers in them. An epidemic in the black community.

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    I dont think you can separate any of it. Welfare policies destroyed minority families. Lack of viable employment opportunities makes education and hard work a really hard sell. It doesnt help that there are carpetbaggers willing to slide in and excuse and justify every bad behavior in the name of race. If there is to be change, it pretty much has to be a universal approach. A ground up change has to occur with real opportunity and something more tangible to hang hats on than 'hope and change' and the promise of more handout programs.

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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

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    I dont think you can separate any of it. Welfare policies destroyed minority families. Lack of viable employment opportunities makes education and hard work a really hard sell. It doesnt help that there are carpetbaggers willing to slide in and excuse and justify every bad behavior in the name of race. If there is to be change, it pretty much has to be a universal approach. A ground up change has to occur with real opportunity and something more tangible to hang hats on than 'hope and change' and the promise of more handout programs.
    You need to return to actual free market capitalism for starters. Free market allows for the most amount of economic mobility. But that's been frozen out because economic mobility not only means that the poor can rise up to middle class or rich; but also that the rich can become poor.
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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

    Gotta weigh on this this discussion. I have lived in Michigan, Maine and Colorado. Been to NY and Boston multiple times. never been to Cali. I can tell you the entire NE is full of assholes. It is terrible up there. Maine is not as bad as the rest of the NE but they are still up there. People have absolutely no consideration for other around them. Michigan was not a whole lot better. Colorado is much much nicer. People, environment, crime, CoL ect is all far better here.
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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    No. It is not the poverty. It is not unemployment. It is not the economy.
    It is largely those things. Broken families and the lack of a father figure can certainly be causal factors but one of the key things they cause is poverty.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    It is the culture. Black culture in America.
    Or American culture in relation to black citizens? I suggest the key problem is your history (which you can't change) and your cultural infatuation with racial differences (which you can). While blacks in America continue to be treated as second class citizens (by blacks and whites alike), they will continue to be second class citizens.

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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

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    Gotta weigh on this this discussion. I have lived in Michigan, Maine and Colorado. Been to NY and Boston multiple times. never been to Cali. I can tell you the entire NE is full of assholes. It is terrible up there. Maine is not as bad as the rest of the NE but they are still up there. People have absolutely no consideration for other around them. Michigan was not a whole lot better. Colorado is much much nicer. People, environment, crime, CoL ect is all far better here.
    But there's no ocean in Colorado, no ocean - I ain't gonna live there.

    Yes, Maine is better than much of the East Coast but using just city folks as your measurement of 'assholeyness' ignores all of those who live outside of the urban areas. Some of the conflict simply comes from different cultures not understanding the actions and words of the locals. Simply because we use English as our language does not mean every word is understood in the same way.

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    this also applies to communication difficulties between Americans from different parts of the country - which leads to folks saying derogatory words about one area or another.
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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

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    Black culture, or the culture of poverty? How do white, Asian, and Hispanic youth do when they're raised in a similar environment?

    It was pointed out above that San Diego is a desirable place to live, but fairly expensive. Now, let's compare that with another California city that has few blacks, but a lot of poverty. Fresno is smack in the middle of the state. It's not a bad place to live if you have at least a middle class sort of income, but a lot of people don't. So, what does Fresno have that San Diego doesn't? A high murder rate, a lot of crime, drugs, and gangs. I don't have stats on its murder rate compared to Philadelphia, but I do read the local news. Drive bys happen all the time, as do "gang related' murders.
    What you find, in every study you can dig up, again is that correlating factor of homes without fathers. Yes, this begets poverty. But if you look to the studies, there is a large difference between poor homes with both parents, and poor homes without a father, and the resulting incidence of criminality. Whites from fatherless homes are more prone to criminality as well. But as a percent of population, the black community tops fatherless homes, and consequently, criminal predisposition.

    The black community is FUBAR. Its not racism. Its not a lack of opportunity. Its choice.

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    Re: Police Chiefs Focus on Disparities in Gun Violence, With an Eye Toward Solutions

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    But there's no ocean in Colorado, no ocean - I ain't gonna live there.
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    Yes, Maine is better than much of the East Coast but using just city folks as your measurement of 'assholeyness' ignores all of those who live outside of the urban areas. Some of the conflict simply comes from different cultures not understanding the actions and words of the locals. Simply because we use English as our language does not mean every word is understood in the same way.
    I live in middle of nowhere New Jersey...they're all assholes.
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